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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and i'm

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what is that that lee spiegel always

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says i'm from an undisclosed location

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somewhere on the east coast i'm not at

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home in my home studio

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but uh i am in a nice home uh with a

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friendly

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uh fan of the show may i say i could say

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that right

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uh they they heard about me or something

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i'm not really sure and but anyway

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um welcome to the show everyone our

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guests tonight are both frank fischino

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and alfred lindberg

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and uh it should be a fun and

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interesting show

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the flatwoods monster case um i heard it

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about this right off the bat and i

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remember when i first started looking

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into ufos and i remember

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thinking that that is such an oddball

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looking creature

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um there's got to be something to it i

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mean that's kind of my attitude

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uh like it's just too bizarre why would

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someone not

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put like a gray alien or something you

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know in its place

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um it just it's so fantastic

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what they saw and all that and what

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and uh the fallout after so we'll be

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all of that um over at our website

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podcastufo.com

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we have a blog as we do every week that

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actually goes into an audio blog

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later from charles lear and this week is

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ufos and electromagnetism and that's

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a lot of the stalled car cases i

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know of one actually was told firsthand

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uh that it happened

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to someone that i know uh when a ufo

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the cars just completely stopped um

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whether it's electromagnetism or there's

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some research on that what makes cars

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and then restart um but it it's happened

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in numerous cases

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so it's a it's a great blog check that

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know they wanted people to pay attention

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to the show that's why

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right guys can you hear me

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glad to be on board i do martin i help

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hey hi how you all doing and i'm i'm not

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well you play good music and at that

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this is a treat at the top of the hour

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break and we're going to play uh a

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uh alfred he did a wonderful piece but

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um let's uh we're here to talk about the

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flatwoods monster it's an

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incredible case but before we get into

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that frank you

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i believe you were on my show a

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christmas eve i think it was wasn't it

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to do the show and i was the only one

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that's that's right yeah everyone

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dropped out of the show

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yeah that's right yeah um so but that

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was years ago i can't was it 2015 or

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something like that i can't even

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remember it was a long time ago

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years ago yeah and that called me up and

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he gave me the heads up on it and i got

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yeah right since then so we got a lot to

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talk about tonight and we got

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lemberg with us tonight and uh

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slash researchers who's actually uh

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how many years you've been going up

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there with me outfit

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eight nine ten something like that i

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this century i love it so uh i want to

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you know how you you gained this

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interest i'll start with you frank

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um why the flatwoods monster casing did

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uh growing up as a kid reading some of

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the books and seeing stuff and

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uh you know periodicals and whatever but

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but uh it's when i went up to west

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virginia

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in 1991 i have uh relatives

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in frame town and in flatwoods and

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that's how i found out about the case

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but my first arrest came on my cousin

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dave who since passed away a few years

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ago he was having crop circles

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and he had all of these rings hundreds

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of them appearing all over his property

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photographs and some soil samples of

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these big gigantic rings on cousin

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from colin in the same exact rings that

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thousands of miles apart so that's why

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it keeps all that everything in that

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jack from tonight's topic but i do want

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to continue just a little bit

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um let's talk about your your cousin's

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farm was it

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is it an isolated situation did it was

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the first and only time that happened

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was there ever a possibility that

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someone actually did this

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or you know how they always say a lot of

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the crop circles a man made

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and i i just wonder what was a good

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conclusion on this one

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ongoing for years and it got to a point

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daytona beach florida

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and they were going on for years and uh

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all of these sightings

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which we'll talk about later where the

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incident happened but uh there had been

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and uh you don't walk onto people's

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properties up there

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and make 60 80 and 100 foot rings on

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their property you get shot

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you just don't pass i learned that out

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the hard way

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but um i have video footage of uh

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flying saucers and stole uh photographs

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up there uh in the early years when i

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up there and it got to a point where

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my buddies and friends and family

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members would even travel with me and we

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would go up there when we would watch

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them

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it was like watching a show in the sky

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and it was and

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i remember the first time i saw him i

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went son of a gun look at this

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the government's telling us there's no

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such thing as flying saucers and here's

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eight of us sitting

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on lookout hill on eastern part of the

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property watching to put on an aerial

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display

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at close range and we did this for years

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we were just going up there watching

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and is it still a hot spot as far as you

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know like would you call it that

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part say that again please would you

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call that a hot spot i mean are things

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ongoing there

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do you have any idea i know you don't

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live there now

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yeah it's definitely a hot spot

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there's been stuff going on there for

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years there was a famous case

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that was uh broadcast i believe it was

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fox back uh around 1989 90 of an

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incident that happened there

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but the thing is the people were scared

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to talk about this stuff

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and one of the reasons was because of

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the flatwoods monster incident

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and they just the public made fools out

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of those

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people and it's all these years and

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generations later they're still

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basically quiet unless

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you know somebody comes forward like

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and uh we become the forward

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leaders for these people it's like when

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i was on my first book tour

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um up there in 2004 my first edition

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book came out

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stan friedman told me he says frank when

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you do these

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uh your first book tours you're gonna

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see what it's like

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and don't get too nervous when you see

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people standing around and waiting for

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you all over the room or in the hallway

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he says because they're gonna wait till

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you leave and then they're gonna come

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over and they're gonna tell you what

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happened

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and that's exactly right yeah up there

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for months yeah i talked to hundreds of

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people

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and it was amazing the the whole state

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of west virginia

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now i do uh i want to hear from alfred

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next but i

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do want to say that um we do get a lot

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of new people here and

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a lot of people are totally unaware of

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what we're talking about when it comes

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to the flatwood monster so i'm going to

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want a detail of that

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but for right now um i'd like to hear

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from you

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um whoops sorry about that

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i want to hear from you if i could uh

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alfred uh what what got

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your interest now perked in this this

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ufo topic

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well that's uh that's a long story in

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the first place and and hardly

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even worth going into but i but i can

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tell you

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that uh i retired from the army in 1992

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and uh almost immediately went back to

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college

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was uh

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going from one spot on the campus to the

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other spot

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on a a route that i would

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ordinarily never take and i just

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happened to see

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a a billboard up with uh robert hastings

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was giving a lecture

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and i thought i looked at that and all

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of a sudden

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i was flashed back to about 1955 in

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connecticut where

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i also grew up and uh

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there was a a big flap at that time and

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people were seeing ufos and whatnot and

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i just put two and two together and i

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i even had to cut a class that i enjoyed

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to go see robert hastings talk

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and from that point on i was i was

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in i was in 100 all in

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well i get that i mean the the whole

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thing with

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nukes and ufos is a fascinating thing

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and i was just telling a friend the

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other day

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stan freeman used to say uh you know the

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reason

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that ufos showed up in 1947 is because

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they said the kids found the matches in

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other words uh

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they uh whoever it is that comes to

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observe and

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and mess with nuclear warheads and

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things like that uh shut them down

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those incredible cases um you know

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maybe the reason they're here is because

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you know we could blow ourselves up

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and uh i don't know i don't know but

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i have talked to robert about that in

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the past and you know he more or less

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agrees with that yeah maybe it's not

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warp technology that

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brings e.t but nuclear weapons

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right right exactly so um

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let's see i guess i would ask you frank

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because you're so well versed

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in the case if you would discuss um

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for the person that has never heard of

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the flatwoods monster

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case what happened in september 12 1952

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and

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a very busy year yeah well

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uh first of all the summer of the

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saucers which alfred and i call that

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they had

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project blue buck had the most sightings

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during that

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period and flatwoods

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was right at the end of the summer and

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it was that one of the top 10 biggest

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news stories

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in the world and it was said that a 10

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to 12 foot tall

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alien which they nicknamed the monster

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was seen on a farm after a crash

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landed in central west virginia now

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flatwoods uh

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is a geographical center of the state

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and if you look on a map

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it's dead center and if you go a little

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over 200 miles to the east

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that's where washington dc is the

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capital and that come will come into

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play later

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but there was a lot of ufo seen over

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west virginia and throughout the eastern

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seaboard that night

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but it was very sporadic coverage um

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ivan t

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sanderson wrote in his book on it by the

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visitors a little bit about

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it but he didn't have the luxury of

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having the project blue book

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case file on flatwoods i got

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hold of the file and i spent five years

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going over

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just approximately about a hundred pages

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of notes

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and it took me years just to go through

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and scribe over the faded uh

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ink you know because it was copy after

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copy after copy

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so i spent years putting all this

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together and

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i used my master map which you could see

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on my website

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and i basically over the years i kept

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pinpointing locations where ufos were

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seen

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and i knew every story has a beginning a

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middle and an end

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everybody focused on flatwood sanderson

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had a little bit going on in a baltimore

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area in

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the washington area but he couldn't put

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it together

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the newspaper coverage um

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didn't have uh a fraction of what was in

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blue book

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so what i did is i got

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all the the writer's information gray

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barker

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who was one of the original

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investigators he was from uh

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west virginia and sanderson's notes

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and i put everything together with all

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the magazine periodicals i could find

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all the books everything on planet earth

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every article i could find for years of

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traveling

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and i put all of this stuff together and

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i made timelines

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and flatwoods was actually the end of

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the story

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and i was able to um come up with flight

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paths throughout the united states and i

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have

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um over a hundred locations i pinpointed

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where several different ufos were seen

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that night

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and this one crashed on uh on a farm

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and it was seen by a bunch of uh local

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kids playing football pick up football

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on a friday night it was september 12

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52.

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and it was an indian summer so it was

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still warm and you have to put yourself

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into 1952.

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it's flatwoods is kind of like mayberry

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rfd

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that kind of setting quiet sleepy little

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town

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except about 10 years further back then

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then when that thing was shot the

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mayberry and

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um these kids saw this thing flying over

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a treetop level

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cut across the road and it landed up on

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top of the farm

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and a bunch of these boys went up to go

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investigate to see what happened

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so that's kind of setting the stage

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bringing us to flatwoods of what

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actually happened and nobody else had

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ever pieced together

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everybody focused on flatwoods that one

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little town

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and that's where 99 percent of the

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reporting was was right there

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and i thought more stuff going on and

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there was stuff going on north south

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east and what there was an omni effect

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and that turned into 20 to 25 years of

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research

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figure this out and every time i came

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out with another book i didn't know the

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radio show

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people would contact me send me new

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articles and it was like oh my god my

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book would be updated 20 times

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in the past few years so i just keep

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putting everything up on the internet

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and links and putting the updates on my

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website

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but that brings us that brings us to the

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elephant in the room doesn't it

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go ahead alfred well consider

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already addressed the summer of saucers

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ufos

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are everywhere they are hazarding

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aircraft their people are credible

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people are seeing them on the ground

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next thing you know they're impinging on

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prohibited airspace

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and the united states military gets

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concerned

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and publishes orders to shoot them down

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where they are encountered and there

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will be some other little blurb about

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you know if they don't take directions

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to land and whatnot but that's just

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lawyer talk thing is

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one of these things crashed in flat

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woods

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so what frank is doing and we come to

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the elephant in the room

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what frank has done is make a real

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good case for undeclared air war

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with e.t in 1952.

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hmm um is this your own uh

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your own thoughts alfred or is this

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something you've uh

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uh you know written about in the past or

530
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or talked about with other people

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oh i i've done a lot of talking and a

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lot of writing

533
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,000
but all of this is drawn directly

534
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:11,440
from again that very good case that

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frank makes

536
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,029
wars never heard that spin on it

537
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,960
anything about the flatwoods case until

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they talk to me

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i met stanton and gulf breeze oh god

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year uh in the early 90s at a conference

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and when i was talking to him i told him

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i was doing the first thing stan

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friedman he turned around and looked at

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me dead in the eyes he says how the hell

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did you get up there in those mountains

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and i remember saying that he said we've

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been trying to get up there for years

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i said who's we he said the the ufo

549
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investigators and researchers

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and i laughed i said well i got family

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up there so i was a couple steps ahead

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and that's basically why i was able to

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00:21:02,789 --> 00:20:59,840
to go through those mountains up there

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and we need to add here too that

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seriously that

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stanton friedman was documented as being

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very

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00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,390
yeah how about that um so

559
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:19,679
as far as the you haven't really uh

560
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the you know talk too much about um the

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reason

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uh of the being whatever it was

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i know they went up the hill now didn't

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they

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get a mother or something like that and

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they all went up on the hill

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um with a flashlight or something am i

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getting that wrong in the group

569
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:42,799
uh where uh the the may brothers

570
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,760
eddie mae and freddie may and they ran

571
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,400
to the

572
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:49,679
house of uh their house and kathleen may

573
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,480
owned it

574
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,559
and that was at the little access road

575
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,400
that went up to the back farm that's the

576
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,919
reason they stopped there

577
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,240
a bunch of kids chickened out and they

578
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:00,799
ran home because they were scared and

579
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,080
kathleen and her older cousin gene lemon

580
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,840
who was about 18

581
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,600
they went with the group of kids up onto

582
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:09,440
the farm and that's when they had the

583
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,480
encounter about

584
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:14,400
half an hour later i see half an hour

585
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,679
later they all saw this thing fly over

586
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,799
and people over the years who have since

587
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,640
passed away and they said boy that was

588
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,039
probably the biggest mistake of my life

589
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,559
they were there and they chickened out

590
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,480
and went home

591
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:31,520
maybe not so yeah

592
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,919
yeah um and so when they actually saw

593
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,640
what uh their of course you know the

594
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,000
stories of uh

595
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,559
people trying to say it was an owl and a

596
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,159
tree i think even

597
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,960
the project blue book uh series that was

598
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,240
on tv

599
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,760
portrayed something like that didn't

600
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,080
they or or i can't remember how they did

601
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:53,679
that

602
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,600
who was a pioneer

603
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,480
researcher back from the late 40s into

604
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:01,520
the 50s

605
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,280
he wrote about the flatwoods case and

606
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,000
he actually contacted the public liaison

607
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,200
albert chop

608
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:12,320
and chop spoke to uh keel with lent and

609
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,200
he gave

610
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,919
the description uh and you know the

611
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:17,520
explanation of what it was

612
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,039
but it was um it was nothing solid he

613
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:23,120
said it probably was an owl in the tree

614
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,360
an

615
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,520
underbrush may have given the impression

616
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:27,280
of a giant monster

617
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,400
and the landing site uh could have been

618
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,159
caused by the villagers as they were

619
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,840
running around in circles it was really

620
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,080
absurd

621
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:39,280
but uh the airport did cover this thing

622
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,159
up

623
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,640
really big and they went in undercover

624
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,400
and kathleen may who was a primary

625
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:46,159
witness she was the closest one to the

626
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,039
monster

627
00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:48,799
she told me she was the lent of a small

628
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,400
car to it and i work with kathleen

629
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,880
extensively

630
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:55,039
and i want your listeners to know when

631
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,240
um

632
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,080
i wrote this book over the course of all

633
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,080
these years and i work with the

634
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,440
witnesses

635
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,520
martin it wasn't like oh i talked to

636
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,880
kathleen once

637
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,520
i talked to her hundreds and hundreds of

638
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,480
times

639
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,039
i was calling her on the phone i was i

640
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:13,039
wore a path out to west virginia from

641
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,720
connecticut into florida

642
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,960
going to her home and sitting down and

643
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,080
spending

644
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,880
days with her and sit and then uh

645
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,520
talking about it and she was telling me

646
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,919
of what happened and then i showed her

647
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,240
what really opened the whole story up

648
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,720
as when i plopped over a pound of

649
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,760
project blue book

650
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,480
notes for september 12th down on the

651
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,440
table

652
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,880
and that's when she almost fell out of

653
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,120
her chair she says and they made fun of

654
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,039
us all of these years and here it is i

655
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,200
said here kathleen look at it

656
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:46,880
and it was about 100 pages or so

657
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,080
for that one night for the one night

658
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:53,919
yep just one night that's amazing

659
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,799
but it had to do a lot all about kind of

660
00:25:03,590 --> 00:24:59,120
he looked into it

661
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,600
yeah and and uh so

662
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,880
as far as people investigating it was it

663
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,559
did you say it was actually kehoe that

664
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:10,720
actually went there

665
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,120
no keo didn't go there ivan sanders did

666
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,080
original investigator and he kind of had

667
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,000
a uh

668
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,840
a lot of people looked at him like a

669
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,120
goofball

670
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,919
at the beginning the things that he did

671
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,679
in some of the writings but

672
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,840
i'll tell you honest to god what stan

673
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,799
friedman

674
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,679
said to me when he read my uh original

675
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,039
manuscript

676
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,279
he called me up from canada and he said

677
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,120
frank i have a whole new

678
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
different slant on gray barker

679
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,240
he says a lot of people looked at him as

680
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,200
a clown

681
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,679
he says but he really busted his butt

682
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,360
running around up in those mountains and

683
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,279
he got a lot of key information that

684
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,880
would have been overlooked

685
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,799
and i said you're right stan he was

686
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,200
basically the the nut of the story

687
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,400
and then when sanderson came in about a

688
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,760
week later

689
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,440
he didn't talk to all the witnesses

690
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:04,799
because kathleen may

691
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,000
and haley stewart had went to new york

692
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,080
to be on the talk so we the people

693
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,480
so he basically talked to the little

694
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,480
kids who saw the monster and he's the

695
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,039
one who got the majority of the drawings

696
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,720
where you see the little kids drawings

697
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,720
with the ace of spades covering over the

698
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,760
head

699
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,799
and he did all of that yeah

700
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,200
so let's let's talk up again for the

701
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,640
person that's never heard

702
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,240
this story i don't know either one of

703
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,000
you if you want to describe

704
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:35,039
what uh the general consensus of this

705
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:35,679
creature

706
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:38,960
and the the size of it and everything

707
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,720
you want to run with it al for a second

708
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,919
yeah we need to hear more l what more

709
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:48,960
al well

710
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,000
the thing if it is uh again this is the

711
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,760
end of the story it's the it's the

712
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,039
period it's the

713
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,679
punctuation and then we all go out for

714
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,799
snacks

715
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,840
but you know we've we've got some

716
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,000
legitimately

717
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,200
intelligent forthright and credible

718
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,720
people who encountered uh

719
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:11,600
this thing flying over their heads and

720
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,919
it

721
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:14,640
uh frank will correct me if i'm wrong on

722
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,120
this but

723
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,720
it was in some distress it was a ball of

724
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:19,600
fire

725
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
it was it was flying

726
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,720
what what what is erratic when you're

727
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:27,039
like pieces falling off of it it was

728
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,399
exploding

729
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,399
when it came across the eastern seaboard

730
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,720
it passed over washington dc

731
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,760
flew a little over 200 miles westward

732
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:38,960
it was blowing up burning tree tops it

733
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,360
flew

734
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,320
all the way into the area of burnsville

735
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,279
and then it headed

736
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,559
south and it followed the the main

737
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,200
the main road there state route 4. and

738
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,480
it headed south

739
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,039
and that's when it passed over the kids

740
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,720
who saw it on the playground

741
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,640
and then it cut back and it went over

742
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,080
and it landed

743
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,480
but the the biggest misconception about

744
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,399
the monster which alfred and i

745
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,799
have talked about this at length was the

746
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:07,120
ridiculous drawing and the portrayal of

747
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,679
it

748
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,159
mrs may went to new york and the staff

749
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,399
artist for we the people sat down

750
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:15,440
and they talked to kathleen may and gene

751
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,080
lemon

752
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,399
the oldest boy who saw the monster and

753
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,840
they were given their descriptions of

754
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:21,840
what this thing looked like

755
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,559
and uh from talking with kathleen and

756
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,399
working with all the witnesses this

757
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,360
thing was actually a mechanical device

758
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,760
when mrs may was trying to describe what

759
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,120
this thing looked like now you have to

760
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,320
put you trying to put yourself back in

761
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,120
1952

762
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:42,399
a bunch of people who live on

763
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,919
a farm they see this metallic structure

764
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,240
12 foot tall that's hovering

765
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,120
that looks like a booster rocket and

766
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,520
it's flared out towards the bottom

767
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,640
the head is an ace of spades which was

768
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,000
actually a giant

769
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,640
covering it was a helmet and it had what

770
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:02,960
looked like a plate glass window

771
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,320
freddie may uh kathleen's younger boy

772
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,520
who saw it

773
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,000
he said it reminded him of looking in

774
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,399
the cockpit of a fighter jet

775
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,880
the outer shell was actually the canopy

776
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,320
that you can see through

777
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,399
and the fighter pilots inside with his

778
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,919
gear and his helmet on

779
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,919
that's what this flatwoods monster was

780
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,960
it was actually

781
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,080
something inside of a space suit so

782
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,880
uh kathleen was was never able to get up

783
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,799
there with me because it's you got to be

784
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,120
you know somewhat of a climber a

785
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,880
mountain climber to get up there

786
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,080
but i went up with freddy may after uh

787
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,320
interviewing his mother for years

788
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,440
and he took me step by step by step by

789
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,120
step right from the school playground

790
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:47,120
all the way up to the location where it

791
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,240
was seen

792
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,640
and i did sketches and drawings with

793
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:51,760
freddie

794
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,120
um i had talked to his brother as well

795
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,120
but freddie and kathleen were the

796
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,760
primary ones that i worked with

797
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,760
and i talked to a bunch of the other

798
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,799
witnesses

799
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,000
but going to west virginia so often that

800
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,480
i was able to sit down with them and

801
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
being an illustrator and i specialize in

802
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,200
portrait art i went to pear college of

803
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,919
art

804
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,760
i sat down and did police style

805
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,120
renderings

806
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,960
and i don't think anybody else would

807
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,960
have been able to do it because i sat

808
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,760
down for hours and said well mrs may did

809
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,600
it look like this and she said no it was

810
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,360
more flared out here

811
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,720
it was metallic uh what

812
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,080
to describe we there

813
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:37,679
yeah keep going okay there was a drop up

814
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,000
there

815
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,720
i know i heard that but that's okay yep

816
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:42,320
over portion of it

817
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,159
what was flared out were actually pipes

818
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,600
and they looked like a small uh

819
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,640
tubes freddy may held his arm out in

820
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,919
front of him when we were doing the

821
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,919
drawings and he said they were about as

822
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,279
thick as my arm my forearm like

823
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,640
a fireman's hose and they went around

824
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,279
the whole lower circumference

825
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,760
and when mrs may was trying to describe

826
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,159
this to the television artist

827
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,039
she likened it to the roles of the

828
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,399
pleats in her curtains

829
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,640
you know how the drapes hang down so

830
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,000
what the artist did is he

831
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,080
took it literally instead of drawing

832
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,080
pipes and he drew it in a dress

833
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:25,039
and he has these boots hanging down and

834
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,600
then

835
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,519
mrs may and freddie and a couple of the

836
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:29,840
other witnesses also told me

837
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,279
that um they were like antenna type

838
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,480
devices that came off of the the

839
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,600
shoulders

840
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,480
and the helmet was black and it had a

841
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,240
plate glass window

842
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,559
in front of it and the actually there

843
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,960
was no face it was like a red helmet

844
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,919
and freddy stood on on the site exactly

845
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:51,279
where he was

846
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,200
and he said that the eyeballs

847
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,279
weren't eyeballs as they were portrayed

848
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,279
as bulging eyeballs how the press had

849
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,480
hyped it up

850
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,480
he said there were actually holes like

851
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,240
portholes like if you were standing

852
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,760
across the street and looking in your

853
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,120
neighbor's windows

854
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,559
you could see the the warm light of the

855
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,440
yellow

856
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
and he said inside it was like a

857
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:15,440
greenish orange

858
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,519
and freddy saw back the monster

859
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:22,480
back a few feet and kathleen may saw it

860
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,279
up front

861
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,960
so what was great when i was doing my

862
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,960
illustrations freddie saw the whole

863
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,000
thing unfold in front

864
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,080
of him he was towards the end of the

865
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,679
pack his mother was

866
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,559
up front and when they came around the

867
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,440
swag

868
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,799
she was with gene lemon and this thing

869
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,360
had lifted up and hovered off the ground

870
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,000
and started

871
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,159
coming around the tree and when they saw

872
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,240
it they flashed their flashlight at it

873
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,360
and the thing lit up

874
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,760
kathleen said like a christmas tree well

875
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,279
it passed in front of them and it was

876
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,799
actually hovering

877
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,840
the one thing the sketch artist got

878
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,080
correct

879
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,360
as you can see in the original 1952

880
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,919
drawing there's a drop cast shadow

881
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,440
underneath the figure

882
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,440
which actually illustrates the thing was

883
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,200
elevated above the ground

884
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,360
and kathleen said it was about a foot

885
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,600
and a half off of the ground

886
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,080
and it was blowing the debris and you

887
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,880
know the rocks and all the crap that was

888
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,679
sitting on the path there and actually

889
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,760
was going back towards its craft it

890
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,080
didn't make any hostile moves

891
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,679
but i passed in front of them and it

892
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,519
went past in front of jean lemon it

893
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,200
scared the hell out of them

894
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,080
and kathleen said she looked over and

895
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,320
saw gene and his legs got rubbery he

896
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:35,840
just was freaked out and he

897
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,600
basically momentary lapse and he killed

898
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,399
over

899
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,120
and he got back up and the kids just ran

900
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,880
all back down the hill

901
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,919
and they went to the house and

902
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,840
that's basically what happened during

903
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,200
the encounter

904
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:54,720
but everything was all all botched up

905
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,919
and when uh with the descriptions so i

906
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,720
dug back a little bit deeper

907
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,919
and i found out that haley stewart who

908
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,640
was the

909
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,120
newspaper writer for the braxton county

910
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,159
democrat

911
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,280
he was the johnny on the spa well

912
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,560
in the mid 90s i tracked stewart down

913
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,440
and he hadn't done an interview since

914
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,240
1952.

915
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200
his newspaper which was in sutton which

916
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:22,879
is the county seat

917
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,839
uh was basically the headquarters

918
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,679
because people were coming from all over

919
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,599
the country they were coming from all

920
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:30,960
over the world

921
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,679
this story hit really big within about a

922
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:34,960
week

923
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,399
and what happened is um

924
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,839
haley stewart uh was kind of like the

925
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,440
commander of everything

926
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,359
he was you know when everybody would

927
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,560
come in his

928
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,960
office there at the democrat was

929
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:50,960
basically the hub

930
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,320
so when i interviewed him he filled me

931
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,240
in on the rest of the story and told me

932
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,800
a lot of stuff that never hit the press

933
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,720
but anyway the whole point i was getting

934
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,079
that is

935
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,440
he wrote the absolute definitive

936
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:08,560
article and it was published and the

937
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,599
charleston

938
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,800
uh gazette i believe it was

939
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,079
i i have over a hundred articles here

940
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,839
but it would he described it as a

941
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,680
mechanical man as being told by the

942
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,640
witnesses

943
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:23,760
to look like a mechanical man and had a

944
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,160
cow

945
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,359
over its head with uh small antenna like

946
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,359
arm devices coming off of it and

947
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,680
hovered and he gave a description of it

948
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,520
and what happened after that

949
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,320
is when it hit the united press and its

950
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,160
shotgun around the world

951
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,520
that's when the story got distorted

952
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,040
i see you know when with my original

953
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:47,119
drawings everybody's like uh you're

954
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,240
crazy you know

955
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,880
all of a sudden it looks like uh a robot

956
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,880
from a 50 science fiction movie and i'm

957
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,280
like

958
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,760
no that's the way it did look it was the

959
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,599
press that botched it up

960
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,079
and then i have the old article that

961
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,680
talks about stuart and

962
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,599
stuart verified he says yeah frank he

963
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:05,359
says i was the first one there and after

964
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,160
that they just

965
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,200
the press ran and screwed it up

966
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,640
and that's why all of those years

967
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:12,640
everybody sort of thought it looked like

968
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,040
uh

969
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:16,000
a monster and a dress you know it's

970
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,880
funny when uh

971
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,599
i have you know contemplated like when

972
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,560
people talk about

973
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,280
seeing uh an extraterrestrial they think

974
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,800
is an extraterrestrial

975
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,520
you know without a spacesuit without any

976
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,640
protection

977
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,320
from you know you think of you know

978
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,240
we're just we're still in this pandemic

979
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,920
you think about things like that

980
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,599
uh you think about the europeans when

981
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:37,520
they came to uh

982
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,200
from spain to mexico and and to

983
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,280
also hear how many people are wiped out

984
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,119
from unknown or uh

985
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,839
you know their body is not immune to

986
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,640
these things

987
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,240
so i always thought how could these

988
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,079
things like walk around and breathe our

989
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,160
air if that's if that's what's going on

990
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,400
so the spacesuit it to me makes sense

991
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,520
but the the

992
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,839
thing i'd never it's the first time i

993
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,280
don't remember talking about this when

994
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,560
you were on the show but it was quite a

995
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:03,520
while ago

996
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,800
but when this thing uh

997
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,079
this robot or whatever it was um

998
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,800
did anybody see it head back to the

999
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:14,720
craft and the craft take off was that

1000
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,280
any

1001
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,270
when the thing went by the witnesses

1002
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,200
they all hightailed it and got out

1003
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:26,000
they they were freaked out they spot

1004
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,480
moved

1005
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,760
down towards the um the slope of the

1006
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,280
farm what the thing had done is it

1007
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,720
landed at the far

1008
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,760
far back of the farm and it was at the

1009
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,240
highest plateau

1010
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,800
it relocated by the time the kids saw it

1011
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,000
go down there

1012
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,960
it relocated into the gully of the farm

1013
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:47,760
and there was a pear orchard back there

1014
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,119
and the things settled in kind of like

1015
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,160
incognito

1016
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,880
amongst the trees and it sat off to the

1017
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,680
side

1018
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,160
in this sloping giant valley that's like

1019
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,440
the size of a football

1020
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,640
field so what happened

1021
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,839
uh when they went back up to investigate

1022
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,680
when stewart went back up there the next

1023
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:10,000
day where this thing had relocated it

1024
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:10,880
left

1025
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:14,800
uh a circular pattern in the grass

1026
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,400
and there was a path that came

1027
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:21,040
up from the area of where the thing had

1028
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,160
touched down

1029
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,400
it came up the inclination it went

1030
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:26,240
across the path and it went up to the

1031
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,960
tree

1032
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,359
now this thing was over four foot wide

1033
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,640
at the base

1034
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,200
and had a propulsion system so what it

1035
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,119
did is basically

1036
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,400
blew the foot foot and a half tall grass

1037
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,040
and all the the the sediment and the

1038
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,880
leaves and everything that was laying

1039
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,440
around

1040
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,560
in that path it blew it apart so it

1041
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,200
cut a path going up when it left it

1042
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,280
followed a parallel path

1043
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,079
and that's what stewart saw the reporter

1044
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,599
when he went up the next day so

1045
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,440
basically he followed his footprint back

1046
00:39:01,349 --> 00:39:00,400
out there were people that did see it

1047
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:01,359
leave

1048
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,760
you know that they never

1049
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,240
looked back after they saw this thing

1050
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,280
and uh

1051
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,520
but there is records and it's in my book

1052
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,040
there were some people that did see you

1053
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,560
leave

1054
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,880
did anyone see any type of article real

1055
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,480
quick let me just read this to you

1056
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:20,160
before i get off crack this will kind of

1057
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,880
set the

1058
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,839
the pace of what we're getting at this

1059
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,240
was

1060
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,760
charleston gazette

1061
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,960
and this is was uh

1062
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,599
haley stewart who spoke to them and

1063
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,280
wrote this article

1064
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,119
uh it wore a suit of green armor

1065
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:42,079
looked like a mechanical man was ten

1066
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,040
feet tall

1067
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,960
four foot wide had a blood red face and

1068
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,240
sported a black

1069
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:51,040
spade-like call which extended a foot or

1070
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,440
more

1071
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,560
above its head and it had claw-like

1072
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,079
toy hands the hands were actually

1073
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,079
um what freddy told me he said they look

1074
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:02,480
like some type of antenna devices

1075
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,560
so that is actually on the 15th

1076
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,680
of september 1952 everybody overlooked

1077
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:10,400
that

1078
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,560
came out later at the united press

1079
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:17,119
and in the meantime they released that

1080
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,400
stupid drawing

1081
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,880
of the what the monster looked like and

1082
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,839
everybody forgot what it really looked

1083
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:24,800
like

1084
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,200
that's really interesting um what about

1085
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,920
when they went to investigate did they

1086
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,359
find any type of trace

1087
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,480
evidence uh and for you you mentioned

1088
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,319
about the things being blown around

1089
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,920
but what about where the craft

1090
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,359
supposedly

1091
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,920
uh i guess crash landed would you say

1092
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,599
that

1093
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,200
back

1094
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,640
farm and then it relocated into another

1095
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,680
area

1096
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,800
and what was interesting and i remember

1097
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,800
when stanton was up there for one of the

1098
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,800
anniversaries we walked around the farm

1099
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:02,640
what he was amazed at

1100
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,720
is this thing was seen on fire

1101
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,720
but when it touched down there were no

1102
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:10,560
burn marks

1103
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,400
and uh i also interviewed uh

1104
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,720
her colonel from the united states army

1105
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,319
who went up to the crash site he was a

1106
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,800
captain at the time colonel dale levy

1107
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,359
and he told me the same thing because

1108
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
everybody said this thing was on fire

1109
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,280
but it was odd when it touched down it

1110
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,880
was cool

1111
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:31,520
and uh levitt told during our interview

1112
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,240
he says no

1113
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:35,040
nothing was burned but there were pieces

1114
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:35,359
of

1115
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,599
uh a black plastic like material a hard

1116
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,160
plastic that was strewn around the farm

1117
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,000
and there was oil this thing was leaking

1118
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,040
and where it sat behind the tree levitt

1119
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,599
told me there was a puddle of it

1120
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:54,079
and when the thing lifted up and mrs may

1121
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,720
and lemon

1122
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,359
they basically simultaneously flashed

1123
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:58,560
their flashlights they

1124
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,839
saw the ice glowing at the edge of the

1125
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,720
woods

1126
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:05,440
and when they hit this the the beam hit

1127
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,920
it

1128
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,119
front of them

1129
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,960
now leavitt when he went up with his

1130
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:12,880
troops that night

1131
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,000
he told me that all the oil was puddled

1132
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,200
around right by the tree and him and his

1133
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,480
troops gathered it all

1134
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:23,119
up and there were pieces of this plastic

1135
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,079
stuff

1136
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,440
now kathleen also told me when this

1137
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,359
thing hovered towards

1138
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,319
uh the field and across her path went

1139
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:34,319
from her left to right across

1140
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,319
it was spewing this oil it was like a

1141
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,520
grayish type oil and it splattered and

1142
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,200
hit her in the face

1143
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,359
because she was the closest one and it

1144
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,640
hit the front of her

1145
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,160
um she had a suit on back in the day she

1146
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:51,599
was a hairdresser

1147
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,880
and she had this hair and

1148
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,800
it splattered across the front of her

1149
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,119
and it hit some of the boys

1150
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,520
and the smell was like a sulfur type

1151
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,560
smell

1152
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,640
and the kids were inhaling this and some

1153
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:06,400
of them were actually throwing up all

1154
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,119
night

1155
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,760
from inhaling the sulfur uh freddie told

1156
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:10,480
me

1157
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,960
the old tv

1158
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,079
tubes burning out oh yeah and uh

1159
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,079
yeah that's what he said it smelled like

1160
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:21,760
but basically sulfur

1161
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,040
and now in the distance the whole point

1162
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:27,760
uh the whole time this was going on he

1163
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:28,319
didn't

1164
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,640
he said he was focused on

1165
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,880
the left walking up the hill and the

1166
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,720
bushes and the shrubs were a little bit

1167
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:37,520
higher

1168
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:40,960
but he told me he heard this constant

1169
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,119
whining noise and i have a little

1170
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,359
documentary i put together about 40

1171
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,119
minutes on youtube

1172
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,800
if you just put up braxton connie

1173
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,800
monster fascino you'll watch it and

1174
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,079
freddie stood there on

1175
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,040
site and he waved his arm around in a

1176
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,040
circular motion and he said i heard this

1177
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,480
whining down noise like uh it was

1178
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,880
slowing down and then speeding up and up

1179
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,599
and down

1180
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,640
well he said he didn't realize

1181
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,240
what this thing was and when he

1182
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,560
years later he worked at union carbide

1183
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,960
in charleston he said the first day

1184
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,800
that they shut those big massive

1185
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,319
generators down

1186
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,160
he said that was basically the same

1187
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,760
sound that he heard and the hair stood

1188
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,359
up on his back

1189
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,240
so it was the type of uh a generator he

1190
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,839
heard out in the field and that's where

1191
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,319
the craft was

1192
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,839
and what about the oil and the hard

1193
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:36,240
plastic

1194
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,079
was that levitt grabbed all the stuff

1195
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,040
up and he grabbed all the oil and he

1196
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,640
told me he shifted it off to washington

1197
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,760
when i spoke to kathleen i asked her

1198
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,680
what happened to the stuff that hit your

1199
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,200
uniform

1200
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,880
and she told me a couple guys and now i

1201
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:59,040
devote like basically a whole chapter to

1202
00:45:03,190 --> 00:44:59,839
this

1203
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:03,200
the intelligence went up there and they

1204
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:03,920
posed as

1205
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,520
uh newspaper reporters and

1206
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:10,079
they were trying to get kathleen to talk

1207
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,119
and they kind of

1208
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,520
uh ticked her off because they were very

1209
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,760
adamant and she was just getting fed up

1210
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,079
she got hundreds of phone calls

1211
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,000
people were trying to interview her from

1212
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,599
all over and they did

1213
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,079
flatwoods was basically trampled for

1214
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,280
weeks

1215
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:28,560
and she said these guys finally to get

1216
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,440
her to talk

1217
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,040
finally admitted they were from

1218
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,720
washington

1219
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,280
and the whole story's in the book but

1220
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,119
long story short

1221
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,480
she told me they were up on the farm in

1222
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,240
the back where all of this happened she

1223
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,400
gave him the lowdown on what went on

1224
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:47,119
she says we went back to the house and

1225
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,400
they took a special

1226
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,480
tool out and they scraped

1227
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:55,520
all the oil out of her uniform

1228
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,960
and that she had on and i'm surprised

1229
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,359
they didn't just take it

1230
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,040
yeah well i asked all right i said uh

1231
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,480
why didn't they just take the thing

1232
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,240
kathleen she says all they did was on

1233
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,760
the scrape the oil log because it was

1234
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,599
her work uniform

1235
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,599
and i said what did you do with your

1236
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,640
uniform i

1237
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,960
like you know a million one chance maybe

1238
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,960
she had it laying around the house

1239
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,520
and she said frank she said it was

1240
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:22,720
stained

1241
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,920
and i held it for a few years and

1242
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,720
i eventually threw it out and i remember

1243
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,280
her

1244
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,440
saying i never would have got that stain

1245
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:33,920
out anyways it was that bad

1246
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,520
yeah i do remember chucked it away

1247
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,960
it was uh pieces of uh metal that were

1248
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,160
found on the farm

1249
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,359
and haley stewart the reporter found

1250
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,040
them the next day

1251
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,400
and uh there's i write a part of a

1252
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,400
chapter about that and his stuff was

1253
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,920
confiscated too

1254
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,760
by people from washington they stole it

1255
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,960
out of his house

1256
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,880
he was getting ready to bring this stuff

1257
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:01,839
on the national tv show in new york

1258
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,200
and uh shortly before they had

1259
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:07,760
come into his house and they took it and

1260
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,240
and

1261
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,119
lee you know did a little drawing of

1262
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:12,800
what it looked like

1263
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,480
and uh he said that his father

1264
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,240
and some of the people in town said you

1265
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,040
better keep your goddamn mouth shut lee

1266
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,960
because you got this medal from this

1267
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,119
thing out there from the crash site

1268
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,280
and people are going to find out when

1269
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,880
they're going to talk well guess what

1270
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,640
that's what happened

1271
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,599
and people came in from washington but

1272
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,400
that's a whole

1273
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,760
story in itself but that was confiscated

1274
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,480
as well

1275
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,920
so this was a well organized uh covert

1276
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:43,200
operation

1277
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,119
to get all of this stuff before kathleen

1278
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,040
elise stewart and gene lemon went on

1279
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,200
national tv can you imagine a live

1280
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:52,559
audience

1281
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,240
all of them hold all this material up so

1282
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,680
the government's been doing this for a

1283
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,359
long time they did

1284
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,680
they had all their uh ducks in a row

1285
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:03,200
they knew what the hell they were doing

1286
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,800
they got all of this stuff interesting

1287
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,240
alfred we haven't heard from you in a

1288
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:09,839
while is this up

1289
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,280
anything that you've also looked into

1290
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:17,119
uh as far as looking into it from a

1291
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:17,839
research

1292
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,800
i can report is that i've gone to these

1293
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,400
sites i've i've talked

1294
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,680
to to many of the people uh and found

1295
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,200
them credible

1296
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,480
and uh something i have to point out too

1297
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,520
is that uh you might think it was just a

1298
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,280
bunch of hillbillies up there in the

1299
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,440
woods who don't know any better and

1300
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,640
that's kind of what you're going to get

1301
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,000
from your run of the one of the mills

1302
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:43,680
skepta monkey

1303
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,119
but uh these kids that

1304
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,680
were witnesses to this thing each of

1305
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:50,480
them drew

1306
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,640
pictures under an arduous interrogation

1307
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:57,440
i mean a real mean guy interrogation

1308
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,000
from

1309
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,040
ailee stewart and and they all

1310
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,440
reported the same thing they all drew

1311
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,559
the same thing

1312
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,000
uh something certainly occurred up there

1313
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,400
right now i do remember hearing about

1314
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,720
this case and one of the first things

1315
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:15,119
that is mentioned is there's a foul

1316
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,000
smell

1317
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,359
you mentioned

1318
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:22,319
uh frank it's all for smell and when

1319
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,800
when

1320
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,960
kathleen and the boys were going up the

1321
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:25,920
path

1322
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,040
it was like a roll uh a low lay

1323
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,559
lying rolling fog was coming

1324
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,880
the area of the tree and as they got

1325
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,160
closer to it

1326
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,800
it was actually the propulsion system

1327
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,319
that was shooting out of the bottom

1328
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,240
because this thing was hovering

1329
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,720
and as they got closer to this thing the

1330
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,920
whole area

1331
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,480
was starting to become engulfed and then

1332
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,319
when they flashed the flashlight

1333
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:53,359
at the eyes that's when the thing lit up

1334
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,760
and

1335
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,040
lifted off the ground but kathleen was

1336
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,720
close enough to it

1337
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,680
where um she she gave a pretty good

1338
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,359
description it scared the hell out of

1339
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,240
her pretty good

1340
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:07,040
he she said the length of a car quote a

1341
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,520
small

1342
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:10,480
car and she said so i got to see this

1343
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,960
premium

1344
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:13,680
thing pretty close up of what it looked

1345
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,319
like

1346
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,760
freddy he was

1347
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:20,640
in the in the back so he saw his mother

1348
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,599
and jean and all the kids up front

1349
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,200
freddie was basically one of the first

1350
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,920
ones out of there

1351
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,960
and his mother told me that she passed

1352
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,280
most of the boys on the way home running

1353
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,400
and she cleared

1354
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:36,480
a fence that was three to four foot high

1355
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,390
and all the kids basically were the same

1356
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,640
thing they were just all hyped up

1357
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,400
you know and sure yeah and as a group

1358
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,599
you know you can really

1359
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:54,640
get uh all you know group scare

1360
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,319
is even worse um you mentioned that

1361
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,079
some of the kids threw up was there any

1362
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:01,920
long lasting effects

1363
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,400
of of of what they encountered physical

1364
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,040
kathleen said the boys uh couldn't

1365
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:11,920
couldn't go to school for a couple weeks

1366
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:15,680
and um she said that

1367
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,960
i think she said uh it was freddy

1368
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,920
uh she said uh and and eddie i forget

1369
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:25,760
who had worse they had these uh

1370
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,200
dark uh splotches and blotches all over

1371
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,640
their skin

1372
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,599
yeah one way was worse than the other

1373
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,680
and she said that um

1374
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,760
the doctor and she even remembered his

1375
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,319
name dr bernard hutchinson

1376
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,480
and braxton county gave the kids some

1377
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,079
type of antibiotic

1378
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,800
shots and they eventually cleared up and

1379
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:47,680
went away

1380
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:50,720
but all the boys including kathleen

1381
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,559
from inhaling this sulfur smell this gas

1382
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,359
you know their noses were raw one of the

1383
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,359
kids their nose was bleeding

1384
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,280
and just a sore throat from breathing

1385
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:02,720
that in

1386
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,880
and uh she said uh gene was up most of

1387
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,640
the night vomiting because he was up

1388
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,319
there close he got a good whiff of this

1389
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,400
gas stuff

1390
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:15,119
yeah wow well we're going into break

1391
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:15,839
here in just

1392
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,520
uh just three minutes but um so

1393
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,480
uh i i believe frank you said that it

1394
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,720
looked like the vehicle was in distress

1395
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,920
you said something along those lines um

1396
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,160
is is that right whatever it was that

1397
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,119
was landing was in some type of distress

1398
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,440
there were many vehicles to be clear

1399
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,359
there were many vehicles that were

1400
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,359
under witnesses being under distressed

1401
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,119
that evening

1402
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,839
i wonder why actually four of them one

1403
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,720
came from the

1404
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,079
southern part of the united states from

1405
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,839
the direction of florida

1406
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,839
and three flew across the eastern

1407
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,319
seaboard and headed west

1408
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,400
one went towards oak ridge national

1409
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,559
laboratory and penetrated the no-fly

1410
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,800
zone by about a hundred miles

1411
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,000
the second one flew northwest and made a

1412
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,880
beeline directly at wright-patterson air

1413
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,240
force base

1414
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,760
and the third one came over washington

1415
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,800
d.c

1416
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,640
and apart over washington it was a

1417
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,079
treetop level

1418
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,920
these things were seen by thousands of

1419
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,720
people it wasn't a little isolated thing

1420
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:21,920
and especially back then in 1952

1421
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,520
it was hot really abnormally hot and

1422
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,000
there was a lot of people outside they

1423
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,599
were driving around their convertibles

1424
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,280
walking the dogs or babies in the

1425
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,680
strollers washington dc

1426
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,440
baltimore which was where the hub of the

1427
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,359
sightings were there were people were

1428
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,280
all outside to cool off a little bit

1429
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,720
instead of being in the house it was

1430
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,760
friday night

1431
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,760
and these people are looking up and

1432
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,440
they're seeing this thing

1433
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:48,400
and numerous other things flying over

1434
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:48,800
the

1435
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:51,839
vicinity of washington

1436
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,630
and they're all kind of hyped up on

1437
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,640
stories of uh

1438
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,520
these things darn near landing on the

1439
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,599
white house lawn

1440
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,240
absolutely that wasn't the same time

1441
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,680
though that was in july wasn't it a 52

1442
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,920
that was the summer of saucers from june

1443
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,640
forward it was a mad house

1444
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,119
yeah july the end of july is when the

1445
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:20,800
sightings and when the

1446
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,000
jet interceptions went out and

1447
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,880
then we have this here i actually worked

1448
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,680
in reverse

1449
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,839
i plotted over a hundred points where

1450
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,839
these ufos were seen

1451
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,319
and made crash landings i have every

1452
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,079
single location

1453
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,839
where they touch down and where they

1454
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,520
were seen and who the witnesses were

1455
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,079
and their sources and my timeline brings

1456
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,520
these three damaged

1457
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,799
objects back off the eastern seaboard

1458
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,480
and when all three of them came in over

1459
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,400
the united states they all had pieces

1460
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,760
falling off of them

1461
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,520
they were on fire they were making

1462
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,040
repeated paintings

1463
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,599
the flatwoods was the worst conditioned

1464
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,559
craft

1465
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,640
and that's where what the being got out

1466
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,640
of i wanted to get out

1467
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,599
with this mechanics bag of tools but

1468
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,160
anyway

1469
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,839
it's time for us to go into break right

1470
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,079
now so i have a treat for those

1471
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:12,960
of you on youtube and the podcast it's

1472
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,440
music

1473
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,480
by our guest um alfred lemberg and we're

1474
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,680
going to play that now

1475
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:20,240
and hang in there at kgra radio we'll be

1476
00:55:38,220 --> 00:56:14,829
[Music]

1477
00:56:14,839 --> 00:56:19,420
do

1478
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:42,829
[Music]

1479
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:45,640
do

1480
00:57:07,130 --> 00:56:56,839
[Music]

1481
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:07,140
[Applause]

1482
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:10,839
[Music]

1483
00:58:29,140 --> 00:57:26,210
do

1484
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:53,270
[Music]

1485
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,510
all right welcome back i'm on with my

1486
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:57,680
two guests um alfred

1487
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,040
and uh frank and we are talking

1488
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,640
the flatwoods monster uh case incident

1489
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,920
and and a lot of things that were

1490
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,920
actually going on uh

1491
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,520
that evening hey thank you for the nice

1492
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,599
music alfred that was very nice

1493
00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:13,520
alfred i hold my lighter up but you

1494
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,230
didn't see it

1495
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,200
[Laughter]

1496
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,960
anymore you're supposed to hold up the

1497
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,880
light on your cell phone i understand

1498
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,280
that that's what kids are doing today

1499
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:24,799
yeah that's right that's right

1500
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,319
um you know this this uh case one thing

1501
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,640
i i i do get a lot i get a lot of

1502
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,640
feedback from listeners uh which i

1503
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,160
always uh for the most part when it's

1504
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,000
not too mean um

1505
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:38,880
i enjoy it but um one of the things i uh

1506
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:39,280
the

1507
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,000
why do you always talk about old cases

1508
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,119
and but what and my answer is

1509
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,359
because a lot of times new things are

1510
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,799
found out about these

1511
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:55,920
old cases and can you give me some

1512
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,960
for instances frank why do the skepta

1513
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:00,000
monkeys work

1514
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:09,270
yeah that too first of all we had no

1515
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,319
satellites

1516
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,200
and no space program back then so

1517
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,440
nothing was circling earth so

1518
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,280
that's one of the reasons a couple of

1519
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,960
the guys i've spoke to over the years

1520
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,799
says they love these old cases

1521
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,559
they can't debunk it by saying it was

1522
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,000
just that or the other

1523
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,119
we didn't have anything that i know of

1524
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,760
rotating around this space did we all in

1525
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,079
52

1526
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:35,520
it was 50 wasn't 55

1527
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,720
sputnik was i can't remember what year

1528
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:40,000
sputnik was but yeah

1529
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,160
there's nothing going on then yeah

1530
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,549
it might been uh it's it's thereabouts

1531
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:50,079
yeah it was later

1532
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,359
and it was uh you're right october 1957

1533
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,880
is when sputnik was up there so we

1534
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:57,280
didn't really have much going on

1535
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:00,720
at all except for you know airplanes and

1536
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:03,760
uh and such but but definitely nothing

1537
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:06,799
on the upper atmosphere

1538
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,400
so so frank um what have

1539
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,480
since you were on last have have you

1540
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,839
talked to

1541
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,920
to more people have you found out more

1542
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,440
information over the years since you

1543
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,200
were here

1544
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,400
yes i have yeah um

1545
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,400
i have another book and i just keep

1546
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,240
updating every updating everything on

1547
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,839
the internet

1548
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,960
like i said every time i do a show or

1549
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,880
you know people just keep contacting me

1550
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:34,960
with more stuff it's overwhelming

1551
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,599
it's almost like a full-time job and

1552
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,000
it's just

1553
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,920
piecing everything together it's it's a

1554
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,599
little bit easier now to piece it

1555
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,280
together because it's basically just

1556
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,880
filling in the dots

1557
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:46,640
but it was a nightmare at the beginning

1558
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,750
but we always have a lot of stuff i i up

1559
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:55,760
the amount of sightings it's up

1560
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:58,960
uh well over 116 now

1561
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,920
documented sightings of where these

1562
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,520
crafts were seen

1563
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,440
and uh what we were saying earlier

1564
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:06,640
before the break

1565
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,559
there was actually uh four damaged ufos

1566
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,559
um and i had to give them uh

1567
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,240
designations there was one

1568
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,039
the one that flew down towards tennessee

1569
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,559
that was heading towards oak ridge

1570
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,359
national laboratory baltimore

1571
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,520
and when i flew over washington which

1572
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,599
was in

1573
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:28,319
daily news in one of the boston papers i

1574
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,160
think it was a boston globe the flame

1575
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:31,920
over washington

1576
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,880
and the bottom line to this whole thing

1577
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,880
when i got project blue book and i was

1578
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,880
reading the information on it

1579
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,359
they blamed all of this on a single

1580
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,760
fireball meteor

1581
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:45,440
all of the sightings throughout the

1582
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:47,039
united states

1583
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,559
from 1 30 a.m i have documented until 10

1584
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:51,839
30 p.m

1585
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,400
which is 21 hours of sustained sightings

1586
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,920
116. i got a couple more but i'm not

1587
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:59,680
going to change the book now because of

1588
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,319
that

1589
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,760
but there were different objects

1590
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:04,240
different times and flight paths

1591
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,520
and i even broke it down

1592
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:10,079
to locations and where these things

1593
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:10,640
crash

1594
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,760
which uh the end the the latter part of

1595
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,760
my book you can look it up and i break

1596
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:17,599
every single thing down

1597
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,960
but um these four objects that came in

1598
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:22,960
over the united states

1599
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,799
accounted for 13 crash landings

1600
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,280
10 in west virginia two in tennessee and

1601
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:31,280
one in south carolina and that's one of

1602
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,000
the later

1603
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,720
cases that um that i found out

1604
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,079
information about

1605
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,839
and it's basically like i said before

1606
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,359
it's just filling in the gaps

1607
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,359
okay there it is you know somebody sent

1608
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:43,200
me an article and i dissected the

1609
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,160
article

1610
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:47,440
and then um last one the south carolina

1611
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:48,319
landing they

1612
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,520
said uh the thing was gigantic when it

1613
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,599
went down which they were these crafts

1614
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,520
were like oval-shaped

1615
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,599
they were like footballs kind of like

1616
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,960
spiral

1617
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,079
and aerodynamic and

1618
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:06,000
that's what landed in flatwoods and

1619
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:07,680
the rest of them that were seen around

1620
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,640
the united states

1621
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:13,359
they were actually seen making maneuvers

1622
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,920
and there was

1623
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:15,599
one that would that's a really cool

1624
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:18,960
story it was a martin's ferry ohio

1625
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,480
that this thing actually landed

1626
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,200
came across the tower stopped in mid-air

1627
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,599
and dropped down and landed between them

1628
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,960
um to give the the ending of the story

1629
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:32,640
away but it's fun reading up to

1630
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:33,839
basically what happened

1631
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:36,640
flatwoods was a rescue mission that's

1632
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,520
why there was

1633
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,520
thousands of ufo sightings scene that

1634
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,079
night there was three damage objects

1635
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,559
that came in over the eastern seaboard

1636
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,200
they went towards each destination the

1637
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:49,359
first one flew down towards right

1638
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,880
uh the the oak ridge national laboratory

1639
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:54,960
second one flew the right path

1640
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,000
and they were gunning for these areas

1641
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,400
the one that flew over a hundred miles

1642
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,319
through the no-fly zone was

1643
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,079
if you look at my master map it was

1644
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:06,240
making a beeline and gunning for oak

1645
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,039
ridge

1646
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,880
the second one made a b line for

1647
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,960
wright-patterson air force base

1648
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,760
when the third damaged one came across

1649
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,680
washington d.c

1650
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,000
when it passed over washington without

1651
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,680
getting intercepted

1652
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,480
which you know can you imagine harry

1653
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,240
truman sitting

1654
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,160
in uh the war room going what the hell

1655
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:28,400
do we do now this thing is there's two

1656
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,200
of them

1657
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,920
headed towards uh strategic military

1658
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,640
zones

1659
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,240
and the third one's headed right down

1660
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,000
towards you mr president

1661
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,160
what are we going to do they let that

1662
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:39,920
thing fly over washington

1663
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,640
basically a treetop level that's when it

1664
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,400
was seen and it was reported as the

1665
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:46,240
flame over washington

1666
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:49,039
i timed it and figured out the whole

1667
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,000
pattern of this

1668
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,400
whole thing and when that passed

1669
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,960
immediately over washington and headed

1670
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,920
due west

1671
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,720
the other two objects turned away and

1672
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,799
went in the opposite direction

1673
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:03,119
the one the one that was down towards

1674
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,319
tennessee

1675
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,280
headed uh southeast and turned away and

1676
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:09,039
landed a bunch of times throughout

1677
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,079
tennessee

1678
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,079
the one that turned away from

1679
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,319
wright-patterson air force base

1680
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:16,319
turned towards the wheeling ohio county

1681
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,359
airport

1682
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,680
and it nearly collided with a passenger

1683
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,760
plane and clipped its wing

1684
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,599
there was like about a hundred people on

1685
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,440
board and they saw this thing flying and

1686
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,039
almost collided with it

1687
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,960
and then it turned and it went south and

1688
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,400
it went through the whole

1689
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,599
state of west virginia in the meantime

1690
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,920
all these other crafts had come into

1691
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,119
flatwoods

1692
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,000
and great barker was the first one to

1693
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:41,599
report about this

1694
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,200
he was pulling his hair out trying to

1695
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:46,799
figure out

1696
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:49,920
why there were so many different crafts

1697
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,880
descriptions given flying throughout

1698
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:54,559
braxton county

1699
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,680
and flatwoods was the hub if the one

1700
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,599
that was seen

1701
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,599
landing on the hill was oval shaped

1702
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,039
because when that one thing

1703
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:05,760
went down other ones came in looking for

1704
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,319
it

1705
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,960
and if you read the i have a whole

1706
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,280
chapter that took me years to write

1707
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,039
i got all the information from project

1708
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,200
blue book when the flatwoods

1709
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,400
object flew over washington

1710
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,400
there was about a dozen ufos that

1711
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:21,839
ascended

1712
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:25,200
descended down and surrounded the

1713
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,240
damaged craft like a horseshoe it's like

1714
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,079
a runner on a football field when he's

1715
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,000
breaking away for a touchdown

1716
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,480
these things actually surrounded it and

1717
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,839
followed it west

1718
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,079
when it got outside of washington and a

1719
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,520
safe zone where it couldn't have been

1720
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,720
intercepted

1721
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,280
from the nearby area they went back up

1722
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,039
into the sky

1723
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:47,760
that's what took years to figure out and

1724
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,839
that's all on the master map so this was

1725
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:51,599
a well coordinated

1726
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,200
effort and i've said this on other shows

1727
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,039
i don't claim to have figured this whole

1728
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:00,240
thing out i work with military people

1729
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:03,839
for years and years and i learned a lot

1730
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,319
uh a couple of these guys actually are

1731
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,520
the ones that

1732
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,400
looked at my master map back in the day

1733
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,000
years ago and they said frank do you

1734
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:14,319
know what the hell you have here

1735
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:17,120
and i said i have some sort of an idea

1736
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,600
and

1737
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,159
uh one of the guys says give me your uh

1738
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:22,319
your drafting board ruler the one that's

1739
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,880
like four

1740
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,719
feet long and he's just started

1741
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,319
connecting the dots

1742
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,000
and he stepped back and he went oh my

1743
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,080
god i can't believe this he said they

1744
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,600
think like we do

1745
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:34,719
or i said you know or vice versa but

1746
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,440
basically it's military strategy

1747
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,920
is basically the same and that's what

1748
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,600
these things did when these damaged

1749
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,359
crafts came in there were other ones

1750
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,359
that came in looking for it

1751
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:47,440
and the whole thing was aborted because

1752
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:48,799
by the time

1753
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,239
this um the crafts had come in

1754
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:54,560
looking mrs may and the kids had seen

1755
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,520
the thing

1756
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,279
and it took off and they missed the

1757
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,279
rendezvous point there was another one

1758
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,120
that came up from florida and i tracked

1759
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,120
it coming all the way up from the south

1760
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,400
and that is a whole ball of wax the

1761
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,920
jones and del curdle case with the

1762
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,920
missing jet where i chased that story

1763
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,759
around for 10 years

1764
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,080
and this one was going up in the

1765
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:15,600
flatwoods too

1766
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:19,040
and they were going to coordinate

1767
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:22,400
uh a landing spa and my military guys

1768
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,600
told me frank and

1769
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,799
battle you always put your damaged craft

1770
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,159
near one another

1771
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:30,640
to keep them nearby you don't want to

1772
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,679
have to go try

1773
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,279
trekking all over the country looking

1774
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,199
for them so that's what happened

1775
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,520
and what are the chances that the

1776
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,600
one-night track from the south

1777
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:42,960
going into west virginia

1778
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:46,839
circled over the same damn

1779
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,560
mountaintop that the other one was at

1780
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,920
so a billion to one so two

1781
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,679
two damaged crafts were up there but

1782
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,440
they missed the rendezvous so everything

1783
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,560
was aborted

1784
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:00,800
and then that's when they were taken off

1785
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,239
and they were leaving and they were

1786
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,320
crashing around the united states

1787
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:07,040
that's the heck second half of the story

1788
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,520
and

1789
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,159
that's where i have all these locations

1790
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:12,080
in my book where they were seen

1791
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,000
a downed pilot

1792
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,679
you just read blue book they didn't have

1793
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,840
all the states i got the rest of the

1794
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:21,120
states and the information to the

1795
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,950
rescue operation is the short version

1796
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,480
you know for people who might be losing

1797
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:33,280
track on all this

1798
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:36,880
um so you're the information that you

1799
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:39,679
you you try to put all this together uh

1800
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:40,400
frank

1801
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:44,080
um and what were the

1802
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,600
other sources you said they were

1803
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,520
military but you know when you talk

1804
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:49,360
about these craft being in a horseshoe

1805
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,159
shape and

1806
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:53,280
uh you know and as geographically around

1807
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,920
it

1808
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,640
um are these from like multiple

1809
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:58,320
witnesses and things like that i mean

1810
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,199
how did you get this

1811
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,880
i know you said you worked many years in

1812
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,199
this and i'm just wondering how you

1813
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,880
came across this information we're able

1814
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,199
to verify things alternative observers

1815
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,280
questionnaires

1816
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:10,719
where people would would witness

1817
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,159
something they would contact the air

1818
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,679
force and they would uh

1819
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,679
tell them they had a ufo sighting and

1820
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,600
they would air force would send them

1821
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:18,400
this

1822
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:24,880
and that most of that was in blue book

1823
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,840
then

1824
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,239
when i started because it was so wide of

1825
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,320
an area that just happened

1826
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,360
once i found out a blue book of where

1827
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,199
the sightings were i started looking

1828
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,880
through some of the papers and local

1829
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:38,159
papers

1830
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,520
dc pennsylvania and that's why it took

1831
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,719
so many years

1832
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:49,760
i had 100 to put this damn thing

1833
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,560
together

1834
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:53,280
is because once i got started i couldn't

1835
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,239
stop

1836
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:56,080
and then people started helping me and

1837
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,000
they said wow this guy's on to something

1838
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:00,320
and then stan friedman jumped on board

1839
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,840
and stan uh was getting me information

1840
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,080
i needed harry truman's telephone

1841
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,800
memorandum for september 12th and 13th

1842
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,440
1952 and i gotta run around like you

1843
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:12,960
wouldn't believe

1844
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,640
i told stanton a week later i had him

1845
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,719
stan made a phone call and i got him in

1846
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,830
so you know it's just there's so much

1847
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,280
information but

1848
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,360
like i said earlier the reason that this

1849
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,199
thing took so long

1850
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:31,520
is going through all these tentative

1851
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:32,480
question

1852
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,239
the public and

1853
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,880
you have to decipher and break it down

1854
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,880
you know the hardest part was re-inking

1855
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,719
everything i had to magnify some of the

1856
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,640
pages the eight by ten pages to two

1857
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,080
three four feet

1858
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:48,000
big just to figure out what the word

1859
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:49,679
said and then once i figured this out it

1860
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,560
took years

1861
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,199
a piece in it together then all the

1862
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,600
newspaper articles

1863
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,440
is that through microfiche or something

1864
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,199
well tri-state area and it's just

1865
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,040
piecing it all together

1866
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,280
and uh you know when you you start

1867
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,880
seeing a pattern develop

1868
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,040
and what i actually did martin is

1869
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,440
because i'm an illustrator once

1870
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,719
just because there was a lot of

1871
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,239
sightings doesn't mean it was a lot of

1872
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:14,560
different objects because i saw a lot of

1873
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,440
um

1874
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,440
connections between what was reported in

1875
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,040
the paper and at times dates and

1876
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:21,120
locations and then i would find

1877
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,159
somebody reported it to blue book so i

1878
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,080
actually took all the descriptions and

1879
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,080
did thumbnail drawings and then

1880
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:32,080
i did uh dozens of paintings of ufos

1881
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:33,360
like the ones that you have

1882
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,960
i saw on your website i have

1883
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,000
and each one is a different shape and i

1884
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,000
would write on the back

1885
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:44,000
where it was seen what time a location

1886
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:45,520
color size

1887
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,480
trajectory and my house looked like a

1888
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,080
museum

1889
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:52,239
and all of this stuff was lined up all

1890
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,440
over the house

1891
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,400
and my mom helped me with some of this

1892
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:58,960
work because i was pulling my hair out

1893
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,840
and sometimes in the middle at night she

1894
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,040
would yell oh

1895
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,600
you know i figured something out and i

1896
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,600
would get up and i would look over and

1897
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,800
this one was seen here

1898
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,320
here and there because when you look at

1899
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,320
the same stuff over for it's five

1900
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:15,280
ten years in a row and it just started

1901
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:18,640
falling into place like a jigsaw puzzle

1902
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:22,400
and then came on board stan

1903
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,000
gave me more information i actually had

1904
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,400
to restructure my book and stop

1905
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,640
working on it it was about ready to go

1906
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,080
out

1907
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,280
and i had to stop for a year because um

1908
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,600
the barry greenwood collection stan got

1909
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,960
his hands on that

1910
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:41,120
and he sent me more newspaper articles

1911
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:42,000
and i remember that

1912
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,840
day when it came in the mail this big

1913
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,960
giant box i'm like oh my god

1914
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,360
here we go and it was like pounds of

1915
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:51,600
paper from the greenwood collection

1916
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,880
so that's more information and so

1917
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:56,480
basically it's just

1918
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,520
piecing it all together and here i am i

1919
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,360
just told alfred this afternoon

1920
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:04,239
30 years i've been doing this i started

1921
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:05,360
this night's gonna ask

1922
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,360
one yeah 30 years 100 shows we could do

1923
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,280
a mini series for a month

1924
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,600
and and not even touch on everything so

1925
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,000
much that happened that night

1926
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,800
right i i wanted to let you know that i

1927
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,199
uh

1928
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,920
usually take screen calls but because we

1929
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:25,440
the way we had to contact you

1930
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,480
our phone line is being occupied

1931
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,239
so but what i am going to do though is

1932
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:32,320
i'm going to say to the people that are

1933
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,440
in the chat

1934
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:36,880
on uh on youtube and uh facebook and

1935
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,600
twitch

1936
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:39,600
um any of those people if you want to

1937
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,719
ask our guests

1938
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,880
either one of our guests any questions

1939
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,040
please put it in all caps

1940
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:48,080
and uh i will ask uh the the questions i

1941
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:49,600
will take a look at them first

1942
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,960
but i'll ask reasonable questions um so

1943
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,560
just remember to put in caps so i don't

1944
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,400
miss it and because uh

1945
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,840
we do have people that probably have

1946
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,840
asked questions uh you know earlier on

1947
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,800
that i missed

1948
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,199
but i'll keep my eyes on it now about

1949
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:04,880
the monster earlier

1950
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,679
martin is when uh freddie was uh talking

1951
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:09,679
about the description of it

1952
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,880
um he said the eyes were portholes

1953
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,719
and they weren't red like press

1954
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,960
portrayed bulging red eyes that was he

1955
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,480
said that was hype

1956
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:21,760
and uh he told me

1957
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:24,880
later on he what happened is when

1958
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,000
this monster lit up it

1959
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:30,800
lit up from the inside and mrs may told

1960
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,880
me that it was basically an adornment um

1961
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,719
it was dormant sitting there and it was

1962
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,560
like kind of hovering a little bit

1963
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,320
and when they saw the eyes it's when

1964
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,920
they hit the beams of

1965
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:44,320
the flashlights hit it that's when the

1966
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:45,520
thing lit up

1967
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:49,120
and it forced light from the inside out

1968
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:52,560
and years later freddy told me he said

1969
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,800
you know what it was like it was like

1970
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:57,040
when you uh get in your car at night and

1971
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,360
it's

1972
01:17:02,709 --> 01:16:59,920
dark and you put your key in the

1973
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,719
ignition and you start your key up

1974
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,719
and the whole inside of the dashboard

1975
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,159
lights up and throws light

1976
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:08,000
all over the place he said that's what

1977
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,440
it was like

1978
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,960
and i remember standing inside the um

1979
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,040
the gully where he told me where he saw

1980
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,960
the tracks the following day when he was

1981
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:18,080
a kid

1982
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,840
and he said this thing was definitely um

1983
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,679
being controlled he said frank there was

1984
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:25,199
something inside of it

1985
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,280
the way this thing reacted to us and uh

1986
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,760
then i started researching a little bit

1987
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:32,640
further and i

1988
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:36,000
found an article uh that had

1989
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,120
uh a story in it from 1955 and it

1990
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,679
happened about 17 miles away

1991
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,960
and it involved george snatowski and his

1992
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:46,560
wife and the baby

1993
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:50,000
and that's the thing that uh alfred and

1994
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:50,480
i

1995
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:57,199
frametown monster

1996
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,640
and uh what i did is

1997
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,360
i was getting all the local papers and

1998
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,440
maps in braxton county

1999
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,560
and basically i used hunting maps

2000
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,239
because that's a big hunting area up

2001
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,080
there so i got

2002
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,040
old newspaper articles that were kicking

2003
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:17,120
around and laying around the great barca

2004
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:17,760
museum

2005
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,600
had some the braxton county library had

2006
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:23,520
some old articles

2007
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,560
and i actually tracked and followed the

2008
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,600
path

2009
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,560
of the flatwoods monster craft after it

2010
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,320
left the farm

2011
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:34,880
and i remember talking with stan freeman

2012
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,520
and he

2013
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,440
he said frank do you see what these

2014
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,120
things were doing

2015
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,120
and i didn't know what he was getting at

2016
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,199
they were following rivers and

2017
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:46,320
and streets and i'll never forget

2018
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,280
stanton said

2019
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:50,640
he said frank when uh our boys were in

2020
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:51,360
world war

2021
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,560
ii and they were in foreign lands if you

2022
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:55,760
didn't want to get

2023
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,000
too lost you would follow the rivers

2024
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,760
and that's what these things did they

2025
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:03,600
followed the rivers and they followed

2026
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:04,000
the

2027
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,040
for 17 miles after it landed flatwoods

2028
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:14,080
and it followed the elk river uh in a

2029
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:14,640
nice

2030
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,159
southeast pattern and away from the

2031
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,199
farm and it eventually touched down and

2032
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,280
landed in frame town

2033
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:25,199
and that's where the story of the

2034
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:26,560
frametown monster

2035
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,280
occurred where um george natowski's car

2036
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:33,840
mysteriously shut off there was a ufo

2037
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:36,080
scene hovering out in the woods

2038
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:38,080
and the whole electrical system died on

2039
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:39,280
his car

2040
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:42,239
and that's when alfred and i we were up

2041
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:42,719
there

2042
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:45,440
and we did that monster quench segment

2043
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:46,640
and that's what it was

2044
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,360
when george santos he got out of his car

2045
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,080
he checked he had a brand new battery

2046
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,400
and he opened up the hood and he was

2047
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,840
checking out um

2048
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,360
the battery in the car but the

2049
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,440
electrical system was down

2050
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:02,480
and there was once again

2051
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,080
this uh horrible uh smell

2052
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:08,639
like what freddie described and it was

2053
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,199
coming

2054
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:12,320
from off to the side of the road

2055
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:15,679
towards uh the woods and it was rolling

2056
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,719
and it was

2057
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,920
you know that smoke same exact thing and

2058
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,440
what was seen in flatwoods the night

2059
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,719
before and george started walking out

2060
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:27,440
uh towards the area of the woods and he

2061
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,400
saw this thing

2062
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,239
pulsing out in the woods and it was like

2063
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,080
a violet color

2064
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:35,600
and it was um he said it looked like a

2065
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,719
a phosphorus glow and it was like

2066
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,159
intermittently

2067
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:42,560
getting brighter than it would get dull

2068
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:44,840
and as he started walking towards this

2069
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,199
thing uh

2070
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,199
he threw up from the smell of the

2071
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,880
sulphur coming in the other direction

2072
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:52,639
and long story short

2073
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,719
his wife edith started screaming

2074
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:59,120
bloody murder like feyre when she saw

2075
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,000
king kong on

2076
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,719
skull island he turned around and he

2077
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,400
looked behind him

2078
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,880
and he saw this thing about nine foot

2079
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:08,960
tall hovering towards him

2080
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:12,000
and from the waist up

2081
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,679
uh he saw the torso and this large head

2082
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,920
what long spindly arms were forked

2083
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,679
fingers at the end

2084
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,000
and uh the bottom half of it was

2085
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:24,320
mechanical and it was hovering towards

2086
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:25,199
him

2087
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:28,159
well he turned around and hightailed it

2088
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,600
back to the car

2089
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,000
the baby's inside going hysterical you

2090
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:33,679
can imagine the scene

2091
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,040
and he's inside uh he

2092
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,040
grabbed a knife a hunting knife that he

2093
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,120
had in the glove box

2094
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:43,360
now these are early 50s cars so there

2095
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:44,800
was a lot of room in them

2096
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,920
you know what he did basically he pushed

2097
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,880
his wife down

2098
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,840
under the passenger dashboard and he

2099
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,120
hovered over

2100
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,120
she had grabbed the baby from the back

2101
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,600
seat there was no baby seats back then

2102
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,520
what it was was basically a crib a

2103
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:00,960
miniature crib

2104
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,840
and he huddled over the sting head over

2105
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:05,760
over his family protecting him with the

2106
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,320
knife

2107
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,400
this thing hovered around the car

2108
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:10,400
engulfed it with this uh

2109
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:13,840
that rancid smell and it

2110
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,199
actually him unbeknownst to him

2111
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:19,040
he peeked his head up to see where the

2112
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,480
hell this thing was

2113
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,080
and when he lifted his head over the

2114
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,239
dashboard the thing was looking down at

2115
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:26,080
him through the windshield

2116
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:30,320
now i spoke to george statowski

2117
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:34,159
and he explained a little bit of what

2118
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:34,800
this thing

2119
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:38,400
looked like i found the main part of the

2120
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,520
article

2121
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,239
and uh an adventure magazine there were

2122
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:44,719
men's magazines back in the day

2123
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,679
and it was called mail you know hunting

2124
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,199
and fishing and

2125
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:52,480
all that type of stuff and um

2126
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:55,600
i tracked that uh

2127
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:58,159
that actual uh magazine down and it's

2128
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,800
weird

2129
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,560
i've talked about this with alfred it's

2130
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,719
over the years whenever i would see

2131
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,360
the need something that would pop up i

2132
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,360
found this in the early 90s before all

2133
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:09,120
the internet and stuff and everything i

2134
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,239
went to uh

2135
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,159
a big collectible and comic book show

2136
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:14,080
and a guy from new jersey came down to

2137
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,040
orlando

2138
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:18,000
and i said i'm looking for the july 1955

2139
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:18,639
uh

2140
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:21,920
magazine of mail and he had hundreds of

2141
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,719
boxes of magazines that was a specialty

2142
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,159
and he says i probably don't have it

2143
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,679
because nine out of 10 people had asked

2144
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,360
for it don't have it and he says look

2145
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:31,040
over in this box and i pulled the thing

2146
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,440
out

2147
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,679
i almost had a heart attack because

2148
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,600
there was not a lot known about this

2149
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,600
just a few little words here and there a

2150
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:38,719
few sentences

2151
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,360
but i got the full-blown article so i

2152
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,719
reviewed it

2153
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:44,800
picked it apart had all the information

2154
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,400
and i sent george snatowski a packet

2155
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,320
he was living in queens new york at the

2156
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,480
time and then i called him and i spoke

2157
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,760
to him on the phone

2158
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,679
he didn't want to go public with it he

2159
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:57,520
said because of his work and what he was

2160
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,480
involved with

2161
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,159
he says i went through hell with this

2162
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,679
thing once before

2163
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,840
all i wanted to know is what this thing

2164
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,080
looked like and was just true

2165
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:09,440
and basically uh he said that interview

2166
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:12,400
that he did in 1955

2167
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:15,760
the guy's name was paul lieb laeb

2168
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,639
he says everything was the truth he said

2169
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,239
that's how it happened

2170
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,320
and basically this thing was some type

2171
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:25,600
of a snake looking reptilian creature

2172
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,280
and he saw from the waist up and

2173
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:31,440
he said it was about a good nine foot

2174
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,639
tall

2175
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,960
and from the witnesses from their

2176
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:36,960
descriptions in flatwoods and when

2177
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:37,520
colonel

2178
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,960
levitt who was up there that night

2179
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,360
levitt told me the tree that this thing

2180
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,199
passed under was about 12

2181
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,760
feet tall so i'm putting all this

2182
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,520
information together and looking at the

2183
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:51,040
original articles

2184
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:54,400
so if you have something that's nine

2185
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,000
foot tall and you put a suit over the

2186
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:01,440
top of it it's going to be about 12 feet

2187
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,920
tall

2188
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,679
and that's what colonel levitt told me

2189
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:05,600
he stood there when i interviewed him on

2190
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,320
site

2191
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,719
and he said that thing passed right

2192
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,840
under there

2193
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,080
and he said down under here is where all

2194
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,280
the oil was

2195
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,320
he said there wasn't a lot of clearance

2196
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,600
when it came out

2197
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,760
he says it just barely cleared that

2198
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:21,280
branch

2199
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,320
and uh that's when i put all the pieces

2200
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:25,199
together

2201
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,560
and what happened is when snatowski

2202
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,320
looked up over the windshield when this

2203
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,320
thing was staring down at him

2204
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,560
it put its hand down on the hood and

2205
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:37,360
burnt through the paint

2206
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,880
and lifted back up and

2207
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:43,840
he ducked back down and the thing took

2208
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,760
off and went into the woods

2209
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,920
and a few minutes later george looked

2210
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:50,800
back up and he saw the um

2211
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,560
object out in the distance it lifted up

2212
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,480
and martin you probably have read about

2213
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,400
this how these things sometimes they go

2214
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,920
in a pendulum motion

2215
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,920
and it was rocking back and forth like a

2216
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,960
pendulum

2217
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,199
going from left to right an arc and all

2218
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:06,960
of a sudden it took off like a bat out

2219
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:07,760
of hell

2220
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,960
and just disappeared and then after it

2221
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:12,639
disappeared

2222
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,310
if i may with regard to monsters and all

2223
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:22,639
the stock of monsters and everything

2224
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,440
we should notice that this thing showed

2225
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:27,120
remarkable restraint

2226
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:33,430
absolutely a lot of people have brought

2227
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,960
that up to meow you're right

2228
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:39,199
yeah it didn't make my emotions towards

2229
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,199
any of them and flatwoods or here

2230
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:45,679
and then i have another witness who came

2231
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:46,239
forward

2232
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,920
and he saw this thing over in the area

2233
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,000
of strange creek

2234
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,560
he saw it with the helmet off but it

2235
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,480
still had the upper torso on in the

2236
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,760
lower torso

2237
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,320
so it seems along its path here alfred

2238
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,080
is it was puddle jumping

2239
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:04,960
to braxton county it was taking pieces

2240
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,280
of its armor off of its space suit

2241
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:12,000
wow strange stuff we have we have a

2242
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,120
bunch of questions

2243
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,199
you know like i said being an

2244
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,880
illustrator i was able to talk with

2245
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:17,520
these people

2246
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,120
new drawings and i was driving them

2247
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,520
crazy sometimes i was sending stuff

2248
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:23,360
up fed express back and forth to west

2249
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:25,120
virginia and all over the country

2250
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:26,320
whoever came forward and i'm like

2251
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,920
there's a look like this and that and

2252
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,960
this and that

2253
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:30,480
and then they would do their changes

2254
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,000
send me back everything

2255
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,080
so i went from my thumbnail sketches to

2256
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:36,400
comprehensive sketches to drawings to

2257
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,760
paintings

2258
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,239
and what we have now is about as close

2259
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,000
as i think we're ever going to get to it

2260
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:44,840
with what i portrayed in my

2261
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,990
so we did we do have some questions that

2262
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,199
came up in chat

2263
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,280
and the first one i think you more or

2264
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,960
less addressed

2265
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:56,719
uh philip wanted to know any idea where

2266
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,600
the crashed craft were taken but no

2267
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,520
no nothing was left on the ground is

2268
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:02,719
that right

2269
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:06,159
as far as you know as far as i know they

2270
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:06,880
all left

2271
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,679
um out of the southern part of the

2272
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,239
united states

2273
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:15,040
yeah okay uh here's another another

2274
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,239
question here

2275
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,560
um how long was it from start of the

2276
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:19,760
investigation

2277
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,560
to wrapped up on the scene and then uh

2278
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:24,000
second part of the question

2279
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,840
were there any men in black visits

2280
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,600
reported

2281
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,600
the men in black were the uh guys from

2282
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,840
washington who kathleen may tell me they

2283
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,920
pose as newspaper reporters

2284
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:38,159
oh i see yeah marcus said that earlier

2285
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:39,199
right and

2286
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,840
yeah and that's when uh she was kind of

2287
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,520
blowing them off

2288
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:45,440
and playing english she didn't want to

2289
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:46,880
be bothered with them

2290
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,000
and finally they came back again

2291
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,760
and they were being a pain in the neck

2292
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,360
and they finally told her

2293
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:56,000
you know we're we're from washington d.c

2294
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,679
where we got to ask you more questions

2295
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,320
and those are the guys that took the oil

2296
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,120
and then as far as ailee stewart when he

2297
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,280
had that chunk of metal

2298
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:07,280
and his father and everybody in town

2299
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,719
were nervous because he was showing it

2300
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,719
to everybody and talking it up

2301
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:13,600
they took a gasoline blow torch and they

2302
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:14,719
put in a

2303
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,120
clamp at the local garage

2304
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:22,239
and the thing wouldn't burn and that's

2305
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,639
what

2306
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,760
everybody nervous and then stuart said

2307
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:27,520
that there was a couple people that came

2308
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,199
in from washington and they claimed they

2309
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:32,400
were with the treasury department

2310
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:35,280
and what was weird about this is stewart

2311
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,320
said

2312
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:38,880
he they were able to take a pair of tin

2313
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:47,189
but it was not the oil there was a piece

2314
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,239
of metal

2315
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,280
it looked like drips if you put your

2316
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:53,520
finger and your your thumb together and

2317
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,480
make like a

2318
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,360
a circular oval stuart said it was about

2319
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,199
that big and it was flat and he said it

2320
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,719
looked like drip solder

2321
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:02,719
like the edges of it were like you know

2322
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:05,120
like an octopus they melted out and like

2323
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,239
globs

2324
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,120
and he says it wouldn't burn with a

2325
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:11,040
gasoline blow torch

2326
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:13,040
but they were able to snip it because it

2327
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:14,159
was thin

2328
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,760
but it wouldn't burn and he said that

2329
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,920
when these people came he said they said

2330
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,760
they were from the treasury department

2331
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,760
he said they gave their names and

2332
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:25,679
contact numbers and all that kind of

2333
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:26,639
stuff

2334
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,480
and uh he said he went to work

2335
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,639
at the democrat and when he came back

2336
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,880
home his house had been broken into

2337
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:37,199
and quote unquote he said the balance of

2338
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,560
the medal was gone

2339
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,639
so his house was broken into when he was

2340
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,400
at work and they took the rest of it

2341
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:44,320
and this was just right before he was

2342
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:46,159
getting ready to go to new york

2343
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:47,920
on national television and bring that

2344
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,790
so the first part of that question

2345
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:54,560
wasn't answered yet um

2346
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,040
uh hold on uh al for just a second how

2347
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:58,800
long was it from the start of the

2348
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:00,880
investigation to when they wrapped up

2349
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:08,070
whose investigation well you did say

2350
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,550
by sanders in washington

2351
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,040
yeah they came in on one day they talked

2352
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,199
to kathleen talked to some of the locals

2353
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:20,880
and then they came back the following

2354
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:22,159
day and then they left

2355
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:24,080
so they were there over a period of two

2356
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:25,600
days

2357
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,800
ah yeah okay uh alfred were you about

2358
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:30,400
ready to say something

2359
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:33,600
no sir no sir okay all right another

2360
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:34,719
question here

2361
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:37,840
um it sounds like someone wants your

2362
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:38,560
opinion

2363
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,000
um and as

2364
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,880
uh as you're i'm trying to read how as

2365
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:46,159
your guest is saying

2366
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:49,760
the aliens think like us what were they

2367
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:50,159
doing

2368
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:53,600
on earth uh why haven't they invaded us

2369
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:56,080
um you know this is this is a question

2370
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:56,960
that you hear

2371
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:59,120
from someone that a lot of times you

2372
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:00,560
hear from someone that's just starting

2373
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,400
to look into this topic

2374
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,280
so uh so just your opinion here either

2375
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:07,920
one of you can go with that

2376
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:11,920
well the thing about invading us is

2377
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:14,800
we don't have any context context for

2378
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:15,679
that

2379
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:18,719
we have a lot of

2380
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,960
evidence indicating that some of these

2381
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,400
things are occurring

2382
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,560
and if you put all of this together

2383
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:26,080
especially coming back to that that

2384
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:28,719
military uh angle that i was talking

2385
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:29,840
about before

2386
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,600
it seems that as of late the military

2387
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:36,320
is investigating and interested in ufos

2388
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:37,840
and isn't there some

2389
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,760
going to be some kind of information

2390
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:42,239
dump before the end of june or something

2391
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:43,040
maybe

2392
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:46,400
that i don't have

2393
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,840
but 180 day thing uh yeah we may know

2394
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,880
something

2395
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,040
we don't know for sure whether what will

2396
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:54,400
be told by this

2397
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,920
investigation this government

2398
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,440
investigation

2399
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:59,760
but we we certainly can't answer the

2400
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:00,480
question

2401
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:03,280
why haven't they invaded us because we

2402
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:04,239
don't have any

2403
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:07,440
idea why all we can

2404
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:10,800
say distinctly is

2405
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,840
that they are in evidence have been

2406
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,080
in evidence they are not going away and

2407
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:18,639
continue to be in evidence

2408
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,320
yeah well said yeah

2409
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,920
but they think like us that was a

2410
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,159
military point of view of one of the air

2411
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:28,080
force guys i worked with

2412
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,920
with that rescue mission when he stood

2413
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:31,679
back and he looked at my master map and

2414
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,960
he says frank do you know what the hell

2415
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,080
you have here

2416
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,000
i said i have some kind of an idea and

2417
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:37,679
that's when he said

2418
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:40,960
they think like us or we think like them

2419
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,520
whatever way you want to say it because

2420
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,679
basic military strategy is search and

2421
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:46,560
rescue

2422
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,120
and he says this is how we do stuff like

2423
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:51,760
that alfred was a vietnam vet

2424
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,600
he saw how many thousand dollars of

2425
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:55,360
combat did you fly alfred

2426
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:56,960
alfred knows about this better than

2427
01:34:03,270 --> 01:33:59,440
anybody he actually fired the

2428
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,280
um the 2.75 inch mighty mouse rockets

2429
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,800
that the air force was shooting at the

2430
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,880
flying saucers in 52.

2431
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:08,880
like i said al lemberg knows better than

2432
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:13,510
well i wish i had something to add to

2433
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,239
that but i don't

2434
01:34:20,229 --> 01:34:18,800
here's another question um and i believe

2435
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:20,239
you answered this frank

2436
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,840
um and the did you say that the creature

2437
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:25,679
looked reptilian under the suit but you

2438
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:26,000
said

2439
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:29,679
almost like serpent serpentine right

2440
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:33,040
yeah yeah um

2441
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,320
it was had like a big elongated head and

2442
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,880
uh long spindly arms they were like

2443
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:40,560
disjointed they were very

2444
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:44,320
skinny and they went into forked like uh

2445
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:47,520
uh four fingers and satowski told me

2446
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:47,920
when

2447
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:52,719
hood he got to see it up close

2448
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,840
he was scared out of his mind and so he

2449
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,520
saw this thing up close

2450
01:35:01,350 --> 01:35:00,239
and it was like it was dark it was dark

2451
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:01,360
in color

2452
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:04,400
and looked um like snake-like like

2453
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:06,320
serpent

2454
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:09,920
so from doing my drawings and drawing

2455
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:11,760
this monster for uh

2456
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:13,360
you know what seemed like a million

2457
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,199
years and looking at this thing and

2458
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,199
talking to people

2459
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:19,600
i have illustrations on my website and

2460
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,199
in my book

2461
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:23,840
and i was flipping through uh through

2462
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:26,320
books about snakes and stuff and i saw

2463
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:26,719
one

2464
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,239
books i was looking through

2465
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,560
i went holy cow look at this thing the

2466
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,320
way it's coiled up

2467
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,239
and i took a tissue overlay and i went

2468
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,920
over the top of it and i said son of a

2469
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,000
gun look at that

2470
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:43,840
that's the way that the lower torso is

2471
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:46,239
flared out like if something was coiled

2472
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,760
up and sit in the side of it

2473
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,760
do you understand what i mean you know a

2474
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:51,600
snake

2475
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:54,719
and like center towards the top and i

2476
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:55,119
went

2477
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:57,600
oh my god no wonder this thing was

2478
01:36:01,990 --> 01:35:58,400
flared out

2479
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,000
now it's starting to make sense

2480
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,560
and when's natasha saw this thing he saw

2481
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:06,480
it just from the waist up

2482
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:10,159
and he smelled that sulfur and he saw

2483
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:10,480
that

2484
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,000
the purplish flash and the pulsing and

2485
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,080
mrs may also told me that

2486
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,760
she said when she was walking up onto

2487
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,600
the fisher farm with the boys

2488
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:21,600
before they hit the first crest of the

2489
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:24,480
hill she said we saw a big gigantic

2490
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:25,840
purple flash

2491
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:28,560
come from the back of the farm so you

2492
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:29,199
have the

2493
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,880
the purple using the flashes that happen

2494
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,320
when there's both of these things

2495
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:36,480
touched down in both cases

2496
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,280
you have the uh the monster with the

2497
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:41,679
lower torso of it with the pipes going

2498
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,159
around

2499
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,400
and it was a machine from the waist down

2500
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:46,159
and nobody can figure out

2501
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:49,360
why why and that's when i came up and i

2502
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,159
says wow

2503
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:52,800
this thing was wearing a suit and freddy

2504
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,760
may kept

2505
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,320
telling me over and over up on the site

2506
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,320
and mrs made it to how this thing

2507
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:59,679
reacted to him

2508
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,520
and freddie said to me he said frank

2509
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,679
there was something inside that thing

2510
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:06,239
the way it looked you know the way it

2511
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,280
reacted

2512
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,800
the way it was hovering around

2513
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:11,040
controlled i don't believe it was a

2514
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:12,400
robot

2515
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,600
because after the sentoski thing uh

2516
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,199
the following night and then i had

2517
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:19,360
another guy contact me he was a little

2518
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,080
boy and he

2519
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:22,880
saw in strange creek he was looking out

2520
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,679
of his uh

2521
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,440
bedroom window he heard something

2522
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:27,920
outside and he looked out and he saw

2523
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,920
this thing about 10 foot tall hovering

2524
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:32,239
down his driveway

2525
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:34,000
and it turned around it came up towards

2526
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:35,600
his carport and

2527
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,080
he actually read my book and he

2528
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:39,520
contacted me

2529
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,080
and he said frank he says you have the

2530
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:44,320
illustrations of it part way out of the

2531
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,520
suit

2532
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,840
and frame town it was all the way in its

2533
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:49,679
suit he says when i saw

2534
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,800
i saw it with just the helmet off he

2535
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:54,400
said but i saw the um

2536
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,840
the torso weary in the lower part

2537
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,520
so you know we have all these different

2538
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:01,360
descriptions so it seems like this thing

2539
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:03,440
was taking part of its uh

2540
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:06,400
spacesuit off probably hud or something

2541
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,440
it's damaged

2542
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,520
and you know when it was hot maybe

2543
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:11,280
that's why i was taking it off i don't

2544
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:11,600
know

2545
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,669
all right hobbs over on facebook had a

2546
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:22,480
question

2547
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,880
and what's the theory as to why so many

2548
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:26,560
craft were damaged

2549
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,080
um had they been intercepted

2550
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,400
that's that's what we're going by right

2551
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,910
you're talking military i think alfred

2552
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,679
alluded to that it was shot down

2553
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,040
alfred you want to talk a little bit

2554
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:42,880
about that

2555
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,080
i really don't have anything uh

2556
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:48,159
large to say about it except for the

2557
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:49,520
fact that

2558
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:52,239
that's every indication i mean you have

2559
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:53,840
summer saucers they're

2560
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,400
impinging on prohibited aerospace there

2561
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:58,560
are orders to shoot them down

2562
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,840
uh i think the next obvious thing is

2563
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,840
that some of them were shut down

2564
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,159
and there's evidence of that so what can

2565
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:07,840
i tell you

2566
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,440
yes they were intercepted yes yes

2567
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,199
the pilots down in florida who

2568
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:15,760
disappeared and i spent years on that

2569
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:16,960
too and the air force

2570
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:20,000
uh busted them off on me over there the

2571
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:20,400
uh

2572
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:24,960
john anderson jones jr

2573
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:27,920
junior and john del curto they were

2574
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,000
tyndall air force base

2575
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,960
and they were being tracked by several

2576
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:33,840
radars

2577
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:36,960
throughout the gulf of mexico and

2578
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,760
they vanished into thin air 70 miles off

2579
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:41,360
the coast

2580
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:45,360
it took me five years just to put it

2581
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:46,800
together then when stanton got the

2582
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:49,199
documents when they came out i spent

2583
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:53,520
more several more years and i know every

2584
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:56,159
move that that jet made and it was a

2585
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,119
complete

2586
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,239
cover-up the air force had no record of

2587
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:02,639
the men being born

2588
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:06,000
social security death index had nothing

2589
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:07,920
there was nothing in the archives

2590
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:09,679
nothing on planet earth

2591
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,719
had any record of these men being alive

2592
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:15,119
when my first book came out and i came

2593
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,400
out with some of the evidence in 2004

2594
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:21,600
a few months later then miraculously the

2595
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,159
air force

2596
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,440
released all the information and then i

2597
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:27,440
took all the information i had and i put

2598
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,159
all together

2599
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:30,159
we talked on your last show about that a

2600
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,280
little bit

2601
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,560
but um there was a lot of stuff that

2602
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:37,119
went down that night the september 12th

2603
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:40,800
uh accident aircraft reports uh

2604
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,679
were uh pulled and there's some missing

2605
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,600
and they did that's a whole other show

2606
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:47,040
in itself

2607
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:50,080
but anyways back then the

2608
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:53,920
air force and navy had a rocket-bearing

2609
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,520
craft we had the f-94c starfire the

2610
01:41:02,390 --> 01:40:59,440
f-86d

2611
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,400
saber dog and f7u3 cutlass and they all

2612
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,000
had mighty mouse rockets on

2613
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,119
them and what i uh

2614
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,960
used to talk with stanton about and what

2615
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:10,719
he liked is boy wouldn't that be a

2616
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,840
surprise

2617
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,840
one day you're firing bullets at him and

2618
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,880
next day

2619
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,719
there's craft coming six to seven

2620
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:18,960
hundred miles shooting uh

2621
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,880
rockets at them and um

2622
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:25,199
expand damage that's the conclusion we

2623
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,960
came to because they all came in over

2624
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:27,840
the

2625
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,960
united states damaged and someone

2626
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:33,199
someone may ask the question how is it

2627
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,719
that we can shoot

2628
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,960
down extraterrestrials with their

2629
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:37,760
technology

2630
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,480
and all i can tell you is that 10 pounds

2631
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,760
of high exploding

2632
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:43,679
high explosive arriving at the speed of

2633
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,600
sound has got to complicate your physics

2634
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:50,320
yeah that's a good way to put it uh we

2635
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,760
have uh janiece over

2636
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,679
at uh facebook asked this question is

2637
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:55,440
there any other time period where

2638
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:58,880
there's something similar uh to this

2639
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,760
has occurred or has something similar

2640
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:06,790
either one of you aware of not not at

2641
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,960
this magnitude

2642
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,600
i it's funny i asked in that question a

2643
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,600
few years ago before he went on there to

2644
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:15,760
do a radio show

2645
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:18,320
and uh he said frank he said there's

2646
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:20,480
nothing that's documented to the extent

2647
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,280
of this he said this was a full-blown

2648
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:25,920
night there nobody's ever done anything

2649
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,960
like this

2650
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,480
and there's i don't think there's

2651
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:30,480
anything else martin after this case

2652
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:32,320
that had this amount of sightings in one

2653
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:32,639
day

2654
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,440
is there this is the only story that is

2655
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:40,000
ufo story in my knowledge that has gone

2656
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:40,719
completely

2657
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,430
yeah really amazing i mean there's so

2658
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:50,239
much more to this than i remembered

2659
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,629
you know one one more time

2660
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,480
i i said there's so much more to this

2661
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:01,840
and i remember

2662
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:05,040
knowing or or talking about um

2663
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:08,480
you know in the past there's so much

2664
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,880
more

2665
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,400
to this sighting than you know i mean

2666
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:12,719
i'm just thinking of remember

2667
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:15,760
it was a meteor a fireball meteor

2668
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:19,520
yeah and and it was not a meteor because

2669
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,159
when the thing passed over washington

2670
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:25,520
uh stanton had calculated it for me when

2671
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:29,760
it it took uh a half an hour

2672
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:32,639
for it to um once it passed over

2673
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:35,760
washington if it was a fireball meteor

2674
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:38,800
the how the speed it was traveling

2675
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:41,760
it would have landed in flatwoods in a

2676
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,880
few seconds

2677
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,040
it took half an hour so it was traveling

2678
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,800
approximately

2679
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,320
somewhere between two to four hundred

2680
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:50,560
miles an hour because it was

2681
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:53,920
it wasn't constant it definitely wasn't

2682
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,080
edu or it would have been seconds

2683
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:00,159
42 000 miles an hour or something like

2684
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,280
that

2685
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,760
wasn't it stanton friedman who also

2686
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:04,960
pointed out that if

2687
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:07,119
a meteor had landed in flatwoods it

2688
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:08,159
would have been

2689
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:13,430
that sounds like something he would have

2690
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:16,719
said walking around the ground

2691
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:19,199
right project blue book record card the

2692
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,400
official said

2693
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,719
the west virginia monster so-called

2694
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,199
actually the object was the waldorn

2695
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:28,480
well-known washington area meteor of

2696
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,159
12 september landing near flatwoods

2697
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,480
have confirmation in astronomy club from

2698
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,400
akron ohio

2699
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:38,880
and they say landing near flatwoods

2700
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,639
there would have been no flatwoods left

2701
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:43,119
if that thing was a meteor

2702
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,600
yeah for that size um someone wanted to

2703
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:47,280
know uh frank

2704
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,320
where someone can see uh a comprehensive

2705
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:52,320
book with illustrations i mean are your

2706
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:53,520
books filled with your

2707
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,639
own illustrations there's hundreds of

2708
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,080
them

2709
01:45:01,750 --> 01:45:00,239
and uh where someone can just find that

2710
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,760
on your website we haven't given out

2711
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:03,600
your website yet so if you'd like to

2712
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,639
yeah and there's there's also uh color

2713
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,719
uh color pictures and all my

2714
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,639
illustrations on my website

2715
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,320
if you just put in frankfuschino

2716
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:13,840
flatwoods monster

2717
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,920
on a search engine and hit images you'll

2718
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,199
see them all

2719
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:20,080
and look for that i was just going to

2720
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,400
say

2721
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,880
look for that uh 40 minute uh

2722
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:24,719
documentary that frank produced too

2723
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,199
that's that's a real eye-opener

2724
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,320
oh oh great okay that's on youtube

2725
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:33,199
braxton connie monster booked by fascino

2726
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:35,440
what i did there is i had

2727
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,719
oh god of 20 to 25 years of cutaway

2728
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:39,760
shots and

2729
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,600
illustrations i had worked on and i

2730
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:43,600
worked with a couple friends of mine

2731
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:45,760
and they put this whole thing together i

2732
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,840
basically wrote it and narrated it and

2733
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:49,520
my buddies

2734
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,800
was retired and he sat down with me for

2735
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:54,080
months i thought it was going to be a

2736
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:58,239
couple week project boy was i wrong we

2737
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:59,119
ended up

2738
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:01,119
working on it for months because every

2739
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,480
time i could see

2740
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:04,880
what he could do on the computer i was

2741
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,119
like a little kid sitting there

2742
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,960
and in the chair going wow you can do

2743
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:10,800
this you could do that and he was doing

2744
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,119
it

2745
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:12,880
so my script changed like a hundred

2746
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:15,760
times over and you'll see the result of

2747
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,239
it and

2748
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:19,040
uh on youtube and it's pretty cool it

2749
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,750
and it kind of holds everything together

2750
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:28,320
that that i was talking about tonight

2751
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:31,760
in 40 minutes and uh the book tells the

2752
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:32,239
rest

2753
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:35,760
like i have a snippet to colonel levitt

2754
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:37,679
uh with freddie may with the different

2755
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:39,679
witnesses the different locations where

2756
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,719
it happened

2757
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,800
and then once you read the book it's the

2758
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:44,800
full-blown information in there

2759
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,239
i would suggest watching the youtube

2760
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,239
documentary first because you get a feel

2761
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:52,080
of the people in the area

2762
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:53,920
of what everything was like and you you

2763
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,520
know what the people were like you see

2764
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:57,920
colonel levitt mrs may all the witnesses

2765
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,560
you see the tree uh you know the

2766
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,400
different areas throughout flatwoods

2767
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,840
that i documented then when you're

2768
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:05,440
reading the book you have that image in

2769
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,320
your head

2770
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,080
of what it was really like back in the

2771
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:10,719
day and it's amazing how it's changed in

2772
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,119
30 years up there

2773
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:15,119
oh yeah everything has got some good

2774
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:17,040
footage and stuff up there from

2775
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:19,119
the early 90s before everything really

2776
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,880
changed

2777
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,360
i know i asked you this question but um

2778
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,600
there's been more than one person asking

2779
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:27,440
the same question that i asked you

2780
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,760
previously and that is did the people

2781
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:32,400
affected from the sulfur type smell have

2782
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:33,360
any health issues

2783
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:36,560
later in life possibly from this uh

2784
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,840
some of the witnesses had cancer oh i

2785
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:41,920
see later in life that i didn't ask that

2786
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:45,760
particular way yeah okay so they did wow

2787
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,719
and what we may never know but some of

2788
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:50,320
them had lungs related

2789
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:53,199
and throw cancer and you know god only

2790
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:54,719
knows

2791
01:48:02,830 --> 01:48:00,000
described how sick they were and then

2792
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,840
and hailed everything

2793
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:05,040
yeah um another question that's popped

2794
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,639
up in two different places

2795
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,360
uh point pleasant is that anywhere near

2796
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,440
flatwoods was there any type of

2797
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,600
i know that's a mothman sighting totally

2798
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:14,719
different thing

2799
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,679
but was there any type of crossover or a

2800
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:19,920
connection between the two

2801
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:22,880
not in point pleasant that that stuff

2802
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:25,920
was basically in 67

2803
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,440
yes there were sightings

2804
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,600
throughout the whole area of the united

2805
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,040
states because there was actually a

2806
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:34,800
second rescue mission

2807
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:37,119
which we could do another show on there

2808
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,239
was another

2809
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,080
alien that was found in the wheeling

2810
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:42,080
area remember when i said earlier one

2811
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:43,280
almost crashed

2812
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,920
and uh hit a passenger plane and if you

2813
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,199
just clip the wing

2814
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:50,159
to the airport one crash landed there

2815
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:52,000
and the cover story was the

2816
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:56,320
uh the locals in this area

2817
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,199
uh where they found the body and they

2818
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:01,280
said it was a body of a badly

2819
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:04,239
burned woman well i researched and there

2820
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:05,040
was no

2821
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:07,840
deaths or any badly burned woman up

2822
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,960
there

2823
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,199
that was found in that time frame and

2824
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:12,719
then there were reports

2825
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:16,719
of a monster that was seen in that area

2826
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,360
and uh you know that's a whole other

2827
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:21,760
show went in itself

2828
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:25,440
but they the craft that had

2829
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,760
flown over washington earlier when the

2830
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,840
flat witchcraft went west and traveled

2831
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,760
206 miles went across

2832
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,320
front royal virginia went across elkins

2833
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:36,639
west virginia went into burnsville

2834
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,840
when that passed and landed

2835
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:41,760
there was the other one that had turned

2836
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:44,560
away that crashed in the wheeling area

2837
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,480
all of those crafts that were in the dc

2838
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:51,840
virginia maryland area

2839
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,000
actually lifted up they went northwest

2840
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:58,719
and they went looking for the second one

2841
01:50:01,589 --> 01:49:59,199
and

2842
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:01,599
there is unbelievable amounts of

2843
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,040
evidence

2844
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,360
there was like thousands of sightings of

2845
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,800
people watching

2846
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,520
these things come down out of the sky

2847
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:11,360
they called it a meteor shower that's

2848
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,800
how many of them there were

2849
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:15,040
and they were looking for that one there

2850
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,159
so this whole

2851
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,960
night that's why it took about 25 years

2852
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,800
to put this together

2853
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,800
it was just amazing and like i said i

2854
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:24,000
was able to

2855
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,800
have all my paintings and say wow this

2856
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:28,880
one was seen here this one was seen here

2857
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,159
and here and here and there

2858
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,480
and then i got newspaper articles from

2859
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:34,080
the wheeling area

2860
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,880
then i got newspaper articles from down

2861
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,639
in the tennessee area

2862
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,480
and it's just extracting all the

2863
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:42,159
information out from putting them on a

2864
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,119
big chart

2865
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:45,040
and then i would do more paintings line

2866
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,239
them up on the wall

2867
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,440
and put the timelines together and like

2868
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:51,119
i said earlier and then that's when

2869
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,639
i had i thought i had everything

2870
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,639
together and stan sent me this big

2871
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:56,400
gigantic box with the greenwood

2872
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,440
collection

2873
01:51:01,189 --> 01:51:00,000
and there were more articles that nobody

2874
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,199
had ever seen

2875
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,040
so what i did is i just would go in and

2876
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,440
extract the information out of there

2877
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,760
go back to my master map and plot the

2878
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:09,199
points

2879
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,400
that's why just to let you know we got

2880
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,639
about two and a half minutes

2881
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:16,560
just just hang on just a second just

2882
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,599
want to let you know we have two and a

2883
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:18,560
half minutes

2884
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:21,360
and uh someone is looking right now uh

2885
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:22,480
trying to find

2886
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:25,119
your youtube channel in the documentary

2887
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,000
and and just

2888
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:29,040
if you could give that out uh just so uh

2889
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:29,840
everybody can

2890
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:32,800
can find that it's if you go to

2891
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:34,719
flatwoods flatwoodsmonster.com

2892
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,159
it's right on my website oh there you go

2893
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:39,920
that's when we're having straight to

2894
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,239
youtube or if your keywords in

2895
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,560
braxton connie monster booked by fascino

2896
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,159
it'll come up

2897
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:49,199
but everything is off my website

2898
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:52,000
yeah okay all right so uh you heard it

2899
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:52,320
there

2900
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,800
flatwoods flatwoodsmonster.com is that

2901
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:56,159
what it is

2902
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:59,440
that's it yeah okay so that that was a

2903
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,400
question asked

2904
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,880
uh quite a bit and we just have up like

2905
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,920
a minute and a half

2906
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,360
albert i heard you start to say

2907
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:09,350
no i don't know what i'm doing over here

2908
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,400
to make you think that but uh no

2909
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,440
what i was looking for was a site

2910
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:17,920
uh was looking for the youtube site uh

2911
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,560
address

2912
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:20,400
that i could publish to you and then and

2913
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,760
then maybe you could pass it on to

2914
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:23,119
people

2915
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:28,229
all right well that's okay we're we're

2916
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:29,679
really out of time but i want to thank

2917
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,480
you both

2918
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:32,560
and uh it's been a real pleasure a lot

2919
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,280
of fun tonight thank you very much

2920
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:37,599
i enjoyed it and thank you so much for

2921
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,000
the uh external validation on my music

2922
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:42,560
that was real nice yeah it was it's

2923
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,520
great

2924
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:46,320
all right thank you both very much thank

2925
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:47,199
you good night

2926
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:50,400
awesome tonight now all right

2927
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:52,960
all right so we'll we'll be back uh

2928
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:53,760
we'll be back

2929
01:52:59,109 --> 01:52:56,800
next week with ralph blumenthal

2930
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:59,119
so uh that should be a really good show

2931
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:01,199
uh same time next week

2932
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,320
and uh thank you so much for watching

2933
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:06,480
listening however you're participating

2934
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:08,480
thanks for your questions in chat sorry

2935
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:09,280
we couldn't have

2936
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,320
phone but again we will have uh

2937
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:15,040
that all back next week with ralph

2938
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,400
blumenthal

2939
01:53:32,820 --> 01:53:18,800
and so we'll see you next week and